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Originally Posted by pdjafari
^^i doubt this guys....most of you are letting the 'fanboy' inside you speak vs the rational average american. first off the ratio of m3s and g35s or any other performance car (compared to what you see on the road like trucks, SUVs, civics, corollas, camry's, accords..) is like 1 to 4. Secondly, the nicer cars are driven mostly for brand. Hence why you see more 3 series coupes vs G35 coupes...
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since when are american's rational? lol. You see more 3 series because they are nicer cars than the G35 coupes lol and yes there is a bit of brand loyalty there. 4 to one is probably a very low ratio. It's probably more like 8 to 1.
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Originally Posted by pdjafari
Now take into effect the price on the GTR...I randomly asked 15 people at work if they'd buy a nissan skyline. half didnt know what the skyline was (no shocker), and the half that did, would never pay more than 40k for a nissan..
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People will know about the GT-R bud. You keep saying this but i think you are sadly mistaken. Everybody will know about it once it comes out just because of the utter quickness of it. It has set the fastest lap time at "the ring" for any production car.
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Originally Posted by pdjafari
Sorry nissan I'm sure you'll sell a couple GTRs here or there, but your product/name/brand isnt enough to drive away ppl in that range....ppl in that range care more about brand name than anything else...
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wrong again. Infiniti does not have a strong brand name and they came out of no where with huge sales figues for the G35 (which is a skyline for all of your pesimism) hugely decreasing BMW's, Audi's, and MB's sharehold on this market.
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Ppl who drive 15-25k cars (18-23 yr olds) care more about performance...hence why they drive neon srt4s. You will rarely see a 30 something year old driving a neon srt4.......
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based on what? i know a number of 30 year old guys with srt4s. They're quick cars that will spank us in a heartbeat.
cars priced >30-35k are targeted at males/females over 25...
cars in the 45-60k are normally targeted at males/females over 30...
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now think of how many 30 year olds know 'skyline' or 'gtr' and how many of them would be willing to spend 60k+ on a nissan (outside your occassionaly true enthusiast who really knows what he's getting for 60k and cares not about appeal...) (regardless of the fact its a skyline)...
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Once again, people will know about this car when it comes out if they don't know about it yet. The buzz is already pretty massive. Tons of people that didn't know anythnig about the GT-R's that i've talked to are anxiously waiting for the new GT-R.
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Now for one sec. stop thinking like a 20 year old who plays too much gran turismo and watches fast/furious. People in that age group arent much for modding/performance as are ppl in the 16-25 age group...
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the people who play these games and watch these movies aren't the only car enthisiasts or even Japanese car enthusiasts. Figure though, how long ago did the first F&F or Grand Turismo game come out? Then allow for the change in time->change in education and income->now in the market for more expensive cars = the new GT-R. That's only figuring a small part of the market. You have to add in then everyone else.
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Originally Posted by pdjafari
based on that alone I dont think it'll sell like crazy. It WILL sell as does any /every other car...but to think it'll be as common as M3s is crazy..
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No it won't sale like crazy, because of the cost for one, but it will easily spank the new M3 and Vettes so Nissan will definitely be taking away some of their client base. But there still is strong client loyalty and pleanty of bimmer and vette fanboys that it won't hurt them too much. I think the GT-R will sell well, but It still wont be very common. (think about how many c6 vettes you see on the road, then add another 20k pricetag and the possible change in demographics). It's not going to sell poorly at all though.
Puria just loves to bash the skylines even though he drives one.