FS[MidWest]: Built SGP 5AT
#1
04-27-2011, 03:59 PM
Built SGP 5AT
EDIT: New pics in post 13!
Price Drop, $2200 Shipped!
UPDATE:
The transmission was originally from a 2004 G35 located in Texas. It was likely chosen as a candidate for a build after the G35 was totaled in 2008 with about 29k miles. I ran a CarFax on the transmission VIN number and that's what I came up with. I believe the guy who built it used this transmission in his 350z, or immediately sent to to Forged Performance to be built.
Hey guys,
I bought this built 5AT transmission for an 03-04 (external TCU) G35 or 350z from my350z.com member jmicaelk. Unfortunately, I cannot install it because I am getting rid of my car.
Here is what you get:
-Built internals (clutch packs, etc.)
-3200 Pro Torque Converter
-Upgraded Valve Body
-GTM Tranny Cooler w/stainless steel braided lines
Here is the original FS thread:
http://my350z.com/forum/drivetrain/5...built-5at.html
Here is the description from that thread:
In case you don't want to bother looking at the old thread, here are jmicaelk's FS photos:
Here are some pictures I took today. I do not want to unpack it because I am no longer installing it in my car:
I paid $2800 shipped, and I would like to recoup my loss, but I am a little flexible on price. Right now I'll sell it for $2500 Shipped.
Just for perspective, if one wanted to mod their 5AT they would pay about $1100 for parts and around $1800-$2000 total, after labor (for cooler install, VB upgrade install, and converter install), not including the built internals and clutch packs.
EDIT: To avoid any confusion, I'll post exactly what I know about the tranny package.
Here are some PMs I exchanged with the former owner:
1.
Hi well to answer most of your questions I never got to use it and had it in the garage for a little over a year now.
It was built by SPG so it is a really good one, Sharif is the one that sent it to them to have it rebuilt for a customer and they tested it with 505 rwhp, but it should be able to handle over 600 rwhp. The valvebody should be as good or better than Transgo and I was told it shifts really fast and smoth, add this up with paddle shifters and a 550 rwhp engine and you have a monster That is what I was building for but no time for this anymore as my 1000 rwhp build takes all my time now and most money
When you talk about installing the cooler I assume you mean to the car as it is installed to the tranny already. Well I installed one before next to the power steering cooler, so just drill some holes there and bolt it up, pretty easy actually.
I will get you a quote later today if you are interested.
2.
Hi well I bought it for a -04 so I have to assume it will work, as for the TCU, I don't know, how can I find out ??
3.
Hi sorry that should be SGP and the owner before me had a -03 350z so you should be ok
I hope this helps clear up any confusion. jmicaelk and I never had the chance to install the transmission, and I am only selling b/c my car is totaled and I need some money to help pay for my new car. If anyone has more specific questions, please feel free to ask me. I'm also sure jmicaelk would be willing to answer as well. He was incredibly helpful throughout the whole transaction and has sold/has for sale several other high dollar items on this forum. I have also done several transactions on this site, but many more on G35Driver. I am far more active over there than here. Feel free to search my posts.
I am flexible on the price, but I do not want to get hosed.
Thanks for looking!
Price Drop, $2200 Shipped!
UPDATE:
The transmission was originally from a 2004 G35 located in Texas. It was likely chosen as a candidate for a build after the G35 was totaled in 2008 with about 29k miles. I ran a CarFax on the transmission VIN number and that's what I came up with. I believe the guy who built it used this transmission in his 350z, or immediately sent to to Forged Performance to be built.
Hey guys,
I bought this built 5AT transmission for an 03-04 (external TCU) G35 or 350z from my350z.com member jmicaelk. Unfortunately, I cannot install it because I am getting rid of my car.
Here is what you get:
-Built internals (clutch packs, etc.)
-3200 Pro Torque Converter
-Upgraded Valve Body
-GTM Tranny Cooler w/stainless steel braided lines
Here is the original FS thread:
http://my350z.com/forum/drivetrain/5...built-5at.html
Here is the description from that thread:
Hi guys I'm selling my built 5AT. This tranny can push close to 600whp with no problem. It has the upgraded valve body and a Pro Torque Converter(3200 stall) and all upgraded clutch packs etc. For the price I'm also throwing in a GTM tranny cooler.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92888386@N00/5569165505/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92888386@N00/5565479775/
$2500 plus shipping OBO, might be open to trades plus money. Let me know what you have
Thanks for looking
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92888386@N00/5569165505/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92888386@N00/5565479775/
$2500 plus shipping OBO, might be open to trades plus money. Let me know what you have
Thanks for looking
Here are some pictures I took today. I do not want to unpack it because I am no longer installing it in my car:
I paid $2800 shipped, and I would like to recoup my loss, but I am a little flexible on price. Right now I'll sell it for $2500 Shipped.
Just for perspective, if one wanted to mod their 5AT they would pay about $1100 for parts and around $1800-$2000 total, after labor (for cooler install, VB upgrade install, and converter install), not including the built internals and clutch packs.
EDIT: To avoid any confusion, I'll post exactly what I know about the tranny package.
Here are some PMs I exchanged with the former owner:
1.
I have a few questions:
1) How long have you had this piece?
2) How many miles are on the tranny? Did you use it under boost?
3) How does the tq converter feel? How is it around town? How is the throttle response, etc.?
4) How is the VB upgrade? Tell me more about it, is it better than the Transgo kit? I forget your specific unit's specifications?
5) How should one install the cooler? I will most likely have the dealer install the transmission, do you have any recommendations?
1) How long have you had this piece?
2) How many miles are on the tranny? Did you use it under boost?
3) How does the tq converter feel? How is it around town? How is the throttle response, etc.?
4) How is the VB upgrade? Tell me more about it, is it better than the Transgo kit? I forget your specific unit's specifications?
5) How should one install the cooler? I will most likely have the dealer install the transmission, do you have any recommendations?
It was built by SPG so it is a really good one, Sharif is the one that sent it to them to have it rebuilt for a customer and they tested it with 505 rwhp, but it should be able to handle over 600 rwhp. The valvebody should be as good or better than Transgo and I was told it shifts really fast and smoth, add this up with paddle shifters and a 550 rwhp engine and you have a monster That is what I was building for but no time for this anymore as my 1000 rwhp build takes all my time now and most money
When you talk about installing the cooler I assume you mean to the car as it is installed to the tranny already. Well I installed one before next to the power steering cooler, so just drill some holes there and bolt it up, pretty easy actually.
I will get you a quote later today if you are interested.
That all sounds great. Is the TCU external or internal? Is this transmission from an 03-04 or an 05-06?
I am def. interested in a quote.
I am def. interested in a quote.
Thanks for the info. I'll get you some info so you can check. They look slightly different on the outside. I'll have to search for some pics.
Maybe SPG knows?
Maybe SPG knows?
I hope this helps clear up any confusion. jmicaelk and I never had the chance to install the transmission, and I am only selling b/c my car is totaled and I need some money to help pay for my new car. If anyone has more specific questions, please feel free to ask me. I'm also sure jmicaelk would be willing to answer as well. He was incredibly helpful throughout the whole transaction and has sold/has for sale several other high dollar items on this forum. I have also done several transactions on this site, but many more on G35Driver. I am far more active over there than here. Feel free to search my posts.
I am flexible on the price, but I do not want to get hosed.
Thanks for looking!
Last edited by MM_G3520; 05-23-2011 at 02:33 PM.
#3
04-28-2011, 06:09 PM
#4
04-29-2011, 02:21 AM
If you want some more info, the my350z thread might be more helpful.
http://my350z.com/forum/drivetrain/5...t-sgp-5at.html
Here is a quote from the previous owner that explains the origin of the transmission:
To add some info to this is that Shariff had this tranny sent to SGP to have it built, so I'm pretty sure he wouldn't let some crap come back. I had it in my garage for almost 18 months and have no reason to believe it to be anything wrong with it.
GLWS and sorry to hear about your car.
GLWS and sorry to hear about your car.
#5
04-29-2011, 11:47 AM
this will only fit 03-04 Early Models 5AT just f.y.i. I have an 04.5 and I picked up an 03 transmission to install on my g35 coupe...swapped over the VB's into mine..come to find out that my TCU was built into my VB because I was 04.5.....the external TCM came one early model 03-04 5AT's and then in 04.5 they integrated the TCM into the VB.
reason I know this is that I bought an external TCM as well and tried to locate underneath my dash and it didnt exist....thats when I called Infiniti and verified my VIN Number and I ended up having the intergrated TCM into my VB.
reason I know this is that I bought an external TCM as well and tried to locate underneath my dash and it didnt exist....thats when I called Infiniti and verified my VIN Number and I ended up having the intergrated TCM into my VB.
#6
04-30-2011, 06:17 PM
this will only fit 03-04 Early Models 5AT just f.y.i. I have an 04.5 and I picked up an 03 transmission to install on my g35 coupe...swapped over the VB's into mine..come to find out that my TCU was built into my VB because I was 04.5.....the external TCM came one early model 03-04 5AT's and then in 04.5 they integrated the TCM into the VB.
reason I know this is that I bought an external TCM as well and tried to locate underneath my dash and it didnt exist....thats when I called Infiniti and verified my VIN Number and I ended up having the intergrated TCM into my VB.
reason I know this is that I bought an external TCM as well and tried to locate underneath my dash and it didnt exist....thats when I called Infiniti and verified my VIN Number and I ended up having the intergrated TCM into my VB.
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05-04-2011, 12:17 AM
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#8
05-04-2011, 12:39 AM
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I've had the SGP trans in my car since 2006.
My car was ProCharged (350whp) from 2006 - Dec. 2010.
The SGP upgraded trans was known to be the more violent of those available (GTM, Level 10, TransGo and certainly Stillen). This isn't a bad thing, it just catches a lot of people off guard.
Normal driving 1500-3000 RPM shifts - feels normal, a little crisper nearing 3000.
3500-5000 RPM shifts you definitely feel a difference. A large difference. Shifts are very very fast, crisp and you can feel it throughout the car.
5500-7000 RPM shifts - the trans feels as if its about to rip itself out of the car. Hold on with both hands and prepare your neck (tell your passenger also). I don't know how else to describe it other than "violent". It's a loud pop/slam, but before you know it it's all over and you're gaining RPM's bracing for the next one. Ungodly fast. While it doesn't compare to some of the clutch setups in cars such as the GTR or exotics, it's damn near close.
It's also touchy to downshift in drive. Something I don't mind. It doesn't 'lag' like the stock trans when you want to pass someone. It almost anticipates it and if you're in overdrive and give it a little gas it's going to get a downshift... or two. It also hangs the RPMs a bit after a spirited lane passing. Example: 55mph, overdrive, and you decide to pass. You leave it in drive and give her some gas, it chooses it's gear and you move around the slow car. Then it may upshift one gear, but it "hangs" in that gear for a moment making sure you aren't going to get back on the gas. This is compared to the stock trans which would downshift it's two and the second you let off the gas a little will start upshifting to get the RPMs lower to maintain gas mileage. Then if you want to give her more gas, it starts downshifting again.
Stop and go driving isn't effected. As I said, in lower RPMs it behaves like the stock transmission.
As OP stated, something to think about is that SGP is no longer is business. Another shop in Houston has converted all SGP cars over to their own setup, but there are so few of these transmissions out there they haven't touched any. In itself that gives a little piece of mind. I have had the trans for nearly 5 years and not one issue (about 20,000 miles). I also have a friend with these trans in his 350Z and he has never had issues. I know some people had problems, but that was way back in the day. If it's a newer model, I would be confident.
Hope that helps. If anyone has any questions you can let me know. I wouldn't hesitate to tell someone to buy it - and it's a great price! I love mine and now that I'm NA (while waiting to go turbo instead of supercharged this time) the trans is loving the lower the power and feels even stronger.
My car was ProCharged (350whp) from 2006 - Dec. 2010.
The SGP upgraded trans was known to be the more violent of those available (GTM, Level 10, TransGo and certainly Stillen). This isn't a bad thing, it just catches a lot of people off guard.
Normal driving 1500-3000 RPM shifts - feels normal, a little crisper nearing 3000.
3500-5000 RPM shifts you definitely feel a difference. A large difference. Shifts are very very fast, crisp and you can feel it throughout the car.
5500-7000 RPM shifts - the trans feels as if its about to rip itself out of the car. Hold on with both hands and prepare your neck (tell your passenger also). I don't know how else to describe it other than "violent". It's a loud pop/slam, but before you know it it's all over and you're gaining RPM's bracing for the next one. Ungodly fast. While it doesn't compare to some of the clutch setups in cars such as the GTR or exotics, it's damn near close.
It's also touchy to downshift in drive. Something I don't mind. It doesn't 'lag' like the stock trans when you want to pass someone. It almost anticipates it and if you're in overdrive and give it a little gas it's going to get a downshift... or two. It also hangs the RPMs a bit after a spirited lane passing. Example: 55mph, overdrive, and you decide to pass. You leave it in drive and give her some gas, it chooses it's gear and you move around the slow car. Then it may upshift one gear, but it "hangs" in that gear for a moment making sure you aren't going to get back on the gas. This is compared to the stock trans which would downshift it's two and the second you let off the gas a little will start upshifting to get the RPMs lower to maintain gas mileage. Then if you want to give her more gas, it starts downshifting again.
Stop and go driving isn't effected. As I said, in lower RPMs it behaves like the stock transmission.
As OP stated, something to think about is that SGP is no longer is business. Another shop in Houston has converted all SGP cars over to their own setup, but there are so few of these transmissions out there they haven't touched any. In itself that gives a little piece of mind. I have had the trans for nearly 5 years and not one issue (about 20,000 miles). I also have a friend with these trans in his 350Z and he has never had issues. I know some people had problems, but that was way back in the day. If it's a newer model, I would be confident.
Hope that helps. If anyone has any questions you can let me know. I wouldn't hesitate to tell someone to buy it - and it's a great price! I love mine and now that I'm NA (while waiting to go turbo instead of supercharged this time) the trans is loving the lower the power and feels even stronger.
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05-04-2011, 12:44 AM
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nsh1351,
At one point SGP Racing was "the place" to take your Nissan (or Supra, or any other import) to get tuned. It's a very long and rather sad story about how they ended up going out of business -if you have time you can search for a 30-something page through over on My350Z.com with all the grizzly details of bad business practice, stealing thousands, dirty shops, shotty work, etc.
Even though they are out of business, I wouldn't be too concerned about these transmissions. The VB was done out of shop and probably had most of the issues only due to the fact that there would be "trash" left in the transmission (I guess either metal shavings not cleaned out or something a long those lines) - not that big of a deal, but could be devastating to the trans due to weak clutch engagements, etc. This could happens with anything transmission that's been opened up and worked over.
The trans was mostly assembled outside of SGP - a good thing.
At one point SGP Racing was "the place" to take your Nissan (or Supra, or any other import) to get tuned. It's a very long and rather sad story about how they ended up going out of business -if you have time you can search for a 30-something page through over on My350Z.com with all the grizzly details of bad business practice, stealing thousands, dirty shops, shotty work, etc.
Even though they are out of business, I wouldn't be too concerned about these transmissions. The VB was done out of shop and probably had most of the issues only due to the fact that there would be "trash" left in the transmission (I guess either metal shavings not cleaned out or something a long those lines) - not that big of a deal, but could be devastating to the trans due to weak clutch engagements, etc. This could happens with anything transmission that's been opened up and worked over.
The trans was mostly assembled outside of SGP - a good thing.
#10
05-04-2011, 01:30 AM
Wow, I Sed8 U, thanks so much for the additional info. To be honest, it makes me want to keep the damn car and throw in this transmission. That is exactly what I was going for with the upgrade.
I appreciate your info, and feel free to share more if people have questions, etc. I know this particular trans was sent to SGP by Sharif for a build/rebuild, so I don't know if that makes a difference, but it certainly looks like a nice piece.
I appreciate your info, and feel free to share more if people have questions, etc. I know this particular trans was sent to SGP by Sharif for a build/rebuild, so I don't know if that makes a difference, but it certainly looks like a nice piece.
Last edited by MM_G3520; 05-11-2011 at 02:35 AM.
#11
05-05-2011, 03:47 PM
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I took my supercharger off and kept the UTEC, some fuel system work and the trans on the car. I still chirp third with 100whp less. I love this transmission and would pick it over a 6MT any day!
I can talk on the phone, eat a burger, sip a drink and adjust the AC all while chirping each gear as you worry about a mis-shift
I can talk on the phone, eat a burger, sip a drink and adjust the AC all while chirping each gear as you worry about a mis-shift
#12
05-05-2011, 06:31 PM
I took my supercharger off and kept the UTEC, some fuel system work and the trans on the car. I still chirp third with 100whp less. I love this transmission and would pick it over a 6MT any day!
I can talk on the phone, eat a burger, sip a drink and adjust the AC all while chirping each gear as you worry about a mis-shift
I can talk on the phone, eat a burger, sip a drink and adjust the AC all while chirping each gear as you worry about a mis-shift
I've even listed it locally on craiglist
I doubt anything will come out of that.
#13
05-10-2011, 07:46 PM
