Longer than usual crank times
#16
02-17-2017, 06:51 AM
Weird stuff is happening. I'm now getting slower than usual crank times after the car has set for a bit. No problems overnight, but if I leave it for about 2 hours or so, it's noticeable. Ordered and received a fuel pump, but my hunch this could be a starter issue, though it doesn't explain longer crank times, unless the starter wasn't catching the flywheel then. Could also be timing, but I'm not familiar enough with this engine to diagnose this at this point. Just noticed the posts above mentioned slower crank times as well and cam sensor. Could give this a shot also.
#17
02-17-2017, 08:39 AM
Lol Just had a new battery put in last month. Not ruling this out, but that would be bizarre, to say the least.
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02-17-2017, 09:27 AM
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Well, the battery went kaput today. Hopped in and it wouldn't start... Took to AZ and they tested it negative, so I talked them into a new battery (this one was still fresh - 03/16). I'm very surprised that this (almost new) battery went bad so quickly. I'll update if long cranks come back again. Appreciate your input!
Why do you come here, ask for advise and then ignore the most obvious solution?
Weird stuff is happening. I'm now getting slower than usual crank times after the car has set for a bit. No problems overnight, but if I leave it for about 2 hours or so, it's noticeable. Ordered and received a fuel pump, but my hunch this could be a starter issue, though it doesn't explain longer crank times, unless the starter wasn't catching the flywheel then. Could also be timing, but I'm not familiar enough with this engine to diagnose this at this point. Just noticed the posts above mentioned slower crank times as well and cam sensor. Could give this a shot also.
Why would your order a fuel pump without first testing fuel pump pressure
Go pay for a one hour diagnostic charge at an Infiniti dealer.
Or you can continue to replace random parts and return here for additional opinions without ever finding out the root cause.
Telcoman
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If for example the fuel pump pressure tests low and the FSM calls for replacement of the fuel pump then that is what they do. They are not going to risk a repeat return for the same problem after cleaning contacts or O rings or something & having to do the job over for free
That might have been procedure in the old days of a Model T but no more with expensive labor charges and high tech computerized vehicles.
Customer satisfaction is important and fixing and resolving the problem the first time is the goal in today's environment.
Telcoman
#21
02-18-2017, 12:47 AM
You ignored the most obvious by not checking your battery first.
Why do you come here, ask for advise and then ignore the most obvious solution?
Did you ever think of getting a professional opinion on your issue?
Why would your order a fuel pump without first testing fuel pump pressure
Go pay for a one hour diagnostic charge at an Infiniti dealer.
Or you can continue to replace random parts and return here for additional opinions without ever finding out the root cause.
Telcoman
Why do you come here, ask for advise and then ignore the most obvious solution?
Did you ever think of getting a professional opinion on your issue?
Why would your order a fuel pump without first testing fuel pump pressure
Go pay for a one hour diagnostic charge at an Infiniti dealer.
Or you can continue to replace random parts and return here for additional opinions without ever finding out the root cause.
Telcoman
I will update the thread once the issue has been resolved.
#22
02-18-2017, 01:21 AM
I'd check the fuel pressure, but you need to buy an adapter to fit between the fuel damper and a replacement o-ring.
Double check the battery as well just in case.
Does your RPM needle jump when you try to crank and it doesn't start? I'd follow the FSM for checking the cam/crank sensors out.
Double check the battery as well just in case.
Does your RPM needle jump when you try to crank and it doesn't start? I'd follow the FSM for checking the cam/crank sensors out.
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02-18-2017, 07:55 AM
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Hi, all.
I've had the car for about 7 months now and it's been great. One thing I did notice back in late spring-early summer was it would crank longer (starter spin) than usual every now and then, when I'd leave the car for a few hours after a drive. Never in the morning, or sitting for long periods of time.
It seemed like it first started after I replaced the plugs (I think I got the Autolites iridium in there). On the very first start after the plugs were changed, it spun the starter for a while. I actually couldn't get it to start and had to crank it second time, and it started perfectly. I just brushed it off then.
Fast forward a few months and I get a cel for some evap (small leak?) code. I tighten the gas cap and reset the code and it never comes back. The car starts fine after short rests again... I was like, great. Well, it's starting to cool down here now, and the car is starting to do this again lol I get somewhere, let the car sit for a few hours and get a long crank. Never in the morning.
I've been thinking it was the fuel pump, and I do want to cycle the key on-off a few times to test the theory, but wanted to check in with you first. The battery is fine - it's cranking like it should.
Thanks!
I've had the car for about 7 months now and it's been great. One thing I did notice back in late spring-early summer was it would crank longer (starter spin) than usual every now and then, when I'd leave the car for a few hours after a drive. Never in the morning, or sitting for long periods of time.
It seemed like it first started after I replaced the plugs (I think I got the Autolites iridium in there). On the very first start after the plugs were changed, it spun the starter for a while. I actually couldn't get it to start and had to crank it second time, and it started perfectly. I just brushed it off then.
Fast forward a few months and I get a cel for some evap (small leak?) code. I tighten the gas cap and reset the code and it never comes back. The car starts fine after short rests again... I was like, great. Well, it's starting to cool down here now, and the car is starting to do this again lol I get somewhere, let the car sit for a few hours and get a long crank. Never in the morning.
I've been thinking it was the fuel pump, and I do want to cycle the key on-off a few times to test the theory, but wanted to check in with you first. The battery is fine - it's cranking like it should.
Thanks!
You are not even sure what plugs you have in your vehicle.
If they are not OEM plugs you may want to start your troubleshooting there?
Did someone pee in your wheaties? The new battery was not the "obvious solution." I bought the pump because it felt like a fueling issue to me the way the car was behaving. I'm def. not taking the car to the stealership...
I will update the thread once the issue has been resolved.
I will update the thread once the issue has been resolved.
You feel the problem is a fueling issue without performing any conclusive fuel pump pressure tests. I'm sure you know what the definition of insanity is? (doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.)
Why are you not at least following the troubleshooting steps in the FSM?
Yes yes keep us updated not only on the wasted money that you've spent but all the wasted hours, days and months.
BTW a simple oil change done at the dealer with a mention of your problem to the service advisor might have informed you of the problem over three months ago.
Keep replacing parts that "you feel" is the root cause because your automotive troubleshooting skills are severely lacking.
Telcoman
#24
02-18-2017, 10:09 AM
#25
02-19-2017, 01:18 PM
Slow cranks resolved
I was going to write a thing or two to Mr. Telcoman, but it's not worth it. All I will say is, the issue was very intermittent and would come and go as it pleased, until a few weeks ago when I've noticed the cranks slowing down, especially after short stops. As far as wasting time and money, I have spent $20 on the pump and less than an hour of my time, if that, by researching the forums. I think Mr. T wasted more of his time being pissed off at my inability to troubleshoot and severely lacking technical skills. I apologize to him for that and promise to be a better student from now on.
As luck would have it, I got stranded in a parking lot yesterday afternoon. Car drove fine to the place, but as soon as I shut it off, it would not restart for the remainder of the night. Using what little technical knowledge I do have, I've narrowed it down to the starter. I'd get a single click and nothing, and eventually no noise from the starter at all. Battery was fine and it wouldn't even try to crank with another car hooked up to it.
Wanted to get one from RockAuto, but went with Duralast from AZ. After about 45 mins, the new starter was in and she cranked over. Drove around town and made some short stops - she never sounded as good as she does now while starting.
Thank you for participating in this thread. If long cranks come back, I will troubleshoot per FSM first, as Mr. T suggested, before posting.
As luck would have it, I got stranded in a parking lot yesterday afternoon. Car drove fine to the place, but as soon as I shut it off, it would not restart for the remainder of the night. Using what little technical knowledge I do have, I've narrowed it down to the starter. I'd get a single click and nothing, and eventually no noise from the starter at all. Battery was fine and it wouldn't even try to crank with another car hooked up to it.
Wanted to get one from RockAuto, but went with Duralast from AZ. After about 45 mins, the new starter was in and she cranked over. Drove around town and made some short stops - she never sounded as good as she does now while starting.
Thank you for participating in this thread. If long cranks come back, I will troubleshoot per FSM first, as Mr. T suggested, before posting.
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#27
03-04-2017, 06:13 PM
I was going to write a thing or two to Mr. Telcoman, but it's not worth it. All I will say is, the issue was very intermittent and would come and go as it pleased, until a few weeks ago when I've noticed the cranks slowing down, especially after short stops. As far as wasting time and money, I have spent $20 on the pump and less than an hour of my time, if that, by researching the forums. I think Mr. T wasted more of his time being pissed off at my inability to troubleshoot and severely lacking technical skills. I apologize to him for that and promise to be a better student from now on.
As luck would have it, I got stranded in a parking lot yesterday afternoon. Car drove fine to the place, but as soon as I shut it off, it would not restart for the remainder of the night. Using what little technical knowledge I do have, I've narrowed it down to the starter. I'd get a single click and nothing, and eventually no noise from the starter at all. Battery was fine and it wouldn't even try to crank with another car hooked up to it.
Wanted to get one from RockAuto, but went with Duralast from AZ. After about 45 mins, the new starter was in and she cranked over. Drove around town and made some short stops - she never sounded as good as she does now while starting.
Thank you for participating in this thread. If long cranks come back, I will troubleshoot per FSM first, as Mr. T suggested, before posting.
As luck would have it, I got stranded in a parking lot yesterday afternoon. Car drove fine to the place, but as soon as I shut it off, it would not restart for the remainder of the night. Using what little technical knowledge I do have, I've narrowed it down to the starter. I'd get a single click and nothing, and eventually no noise from the starter at all. Battery was fine and it wouldn't even try to crank with another car hooked up to it.
Wanted to get one from RockAuto, but went with Duralast from AZ. After about 45 mins, the new starter was in and she cranked over. Drove around town and made some short stops - she never sounded as good as she does now while starting.
Thank you for participating in this thread. If long cranks come back, I will troubleshoot per FSM first, as Mr. T suggested, before posting.
#28
03-05-2017, 01:22 PM