Again - in an otherwise OEM engine, OEM air box is sufficient... I never made the blanket statement that Stillen works for everyone - I simply stated that it makes a very definitive difference on my car.

The problem is - there have been completely inaccurate blanket statements made in this thread implying a one way is best factor. I've been making valid reasons over and over why that simply isn’t the case.

You guys can run OEM parts all day long... OEM air box, OEM headers of a different version, Y-pipe of another version... no problem... just don’t make blanket statements that what you run is the say all end all and make false claims about other parts (as Buckeye did).

My contention has been that if you take the time, effort and money to do what I (and others) have done - it would take a complete idiot to run an air box that would detriment. If I wasn’t 100% certain that my car benefits from the set up I use vs OEM I wouldn’t run it. Hell, I spent $80 on the rev-up back half - I would love to put that to use... but not at the expense of less performance.

So again - what is working on my car (that hasn’t been beat at the track and has dyno'd higher at any recent dyno day) may not work for every car... and what is working on less modified cars don’t necessarily work on other configurations. Anyone that can’t agree to that is myopic and doesn’t really care about contributing quality information to fellow enthusiasts.

 

So if Dave took you up on your offer TODAY, how would you set this up to make it relative to the conversations/posts "years ago"? Since you put up the bet yesterday, we all assume you have this worked out yes?

 

As usual you are lost within the thread… the bet I proposed was for me to dyno on a dyno jet with video and witness’’ to prove he’s clueless about the number my car puts down… he states 255ish and I’m telling him 275+… further, he stated that I have no idea what my car does on dyno jet because again he is clueless, my car has been on 2 different dyno jets.

If you want to chime in Jeff at least have the facts straight.

 

for the slow learners... here's the post about have Dave put up or shut up:

 

My specific question

You're reply devoid of correction or clarification. Thus indicating my assumption was correct

And finally, when put into a corner, the backpedalling begins.

 

^^^ read all the post in the order in which they were written and in the context of which they were posted and your less than capable little mind might get it...

Posting a made up implication by quoting out of context does nothing to validate your point.

 

Uh no. I asked you a question. You answered it in the context of a drag race. Fact.

In what context is that?

What you didn't do is clarify it as a dyno bet. Fact.

Now when questioned about how to set up a race in when you previous challenged Dave to, you backpedal. Fact.

Those replies were in the exact order in which we had our discussion. If this latest bet was different than the one I asked about, logic would say you would have corrected me at your first reply vs confirming it with a discussion about the said drag race.

If anyone is paying attention, it was YOU that put my question in context.

 

Let me try to simplify this for you Jeff… since you are a little slower in the understanding department.

DaveB implied that my car doesn’t put down he power I told him it does… he implied that 294 hp on Church’s dyno is equal to 255-260 on a dyno jet… he stated that I have no idea what my car does on a dyno jet.

I simply proposed a bet. I would post my previous dyno jet graphs… and get my car on a dyno jet now (with current mods) to prove how completely wrong he is.

I further stated that since he didn’t take me up on my offer years ago to race, that I doubt he would take me up on this offer.

Jeff (the confused kid in the class) with eyes crossed and smoke coming out of his ears because he can’t comprehend what just took place thinks I’m challenging Dave to a race.

Now BIG QUESTION!!!! Why in the world do you guys keep asking me questions and making statements that require clarification – when none of it pertains to the topic??? All my recent posts are replying to your OT questions and inaccurate statements.

 

I was clarifying the race proposal years ago dimwit... even the response you quoted is in the past tense

Anyone with an ounce of clarity would understand the flow of information... are you drunk or something?

 

Yet again, you're backpedalling.

I asked you if the bet you JUST proposed was the drag race bet you previously proposed. You deny it? Nope. You clarify that it was not? Nope.

Since there were apparently TWO bets, not just one, I was asking for clarification. Which you replied in the context of a DRAG RACE. Since you replied in THAT context, that's the context I asked my questions to.

You like backpedalling in circles?

 

How is it so hard for you to comprehend? The “bet I proposed” yesterday had nothing to do with a drag race… I haven’t proposed a drag race in this thread… the only mention of a drag race was that he declined the bet “years ago” to drag race and therefore it’s doubtful he will take this “current” proposed bet regarding “dyno jet” numbers.

You asked about mods in relation the “previously” challenged drag race (years ago) - and I explained that my mods then were not al the ones you listed in you post and therefore your comment wasn’t relevant.

And all your posts since then haven’t been relevant because they aren’t even factual. You keep implying that there was a recent drag race challenge… but you are too lazy to read the actual posts I put up for you…

Re-read the last few pages Jeff… if/when you finally catch up with what has been said, and still feel like keeping the thread OT then ask away… until then you aren’t quite there mentally today and haven’t been able to comprehend simple concepts….

In reality you are the one back peddling…

 

No. You proposed a bet. Since you proposed a bet before, I asked if THIS bet was the same as the bet you just proposed:

I had to use past tense because BOTH bets were already proposed.

I had to ask because if this bet was just as ridiculous as the other one, both are ***** pumping exercises in failure.

 

Jeff, I've made it abundantly clear in more than one post... if you still don’t get it there is no hope and you are wasting time.

 

Just like these two nimrod bets you are trying to unsuccefully bait Dave into

 

if Dave wants to keep posting that I'm making up numbers and implying what I've said isn’t factual - he should have no problem putting his money where his mouth is (fingers are)... Certainly when I'm positive about something I don’t mind putting money on it.

The fact that he never takes the challenge speaks loud and clear that he posts nonsense.