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10-20-2005, 10:09 AM
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Day 2 With the GTR (my review and another Video)
Day 2 Tokyo Motor Show.
Here are some things I got out of it. The GTR has been seriously growing some appeal for me. The first day I had my droughts but seeing it for the second time without the big crowd allowed me to study the car a little more in detail. I started off in the same place as day 1 the second floor area where you can see the car from different angles a far. I watched the car pivot and rotate on the turntable for about a half an hour wrote down some thoughts then went down to the turntable and walked around the car in close proximity for awhile. I noticed without the crowd was that the floor had been re-arranged with a variety of Nissans parked closer the GTR now a G35 off to the right side and M directly in front and a few others. This gave me a chance to actually compare the GTR’s looks against other cars. I remember some people compared the GTR to the G35 from the pictures but in person you could see they are radically different. The first thing that grabs your attention is the unique front end design with the flared front fenders, huge mouth and all the carbon. The second is the roofline near the rear window above the rear quarter glass its too hard for me to explain what it does. The third the massive brakes both front and rear. Then the rear, with the carbon diffuser and lower skirt, embedded tail lights and that beefy exhaust. There were a lot of likes, dislikes and unknowns of the car which I will try to explain. Knowing this is a proto-type car and not a production model it’s hard to tell if some of the items are left off intentionally or are already implemented in some way or manor. THE UNKNOWNS Side markers (they will be needed for US models) I’m not sure if the turn signal mounted in the fender will pass US Specs or not. No Visible Gas Door anywhere on the car. No Visible Windshield wipers, I didn’t see any No Door locks on the car (Must be using the new keyless entry,) The Engine, Interior THINGS I SAW: Carbon Fiber every where: Front Bumper, Front Lip, Fenders, Side Skirts, A-pillar, Hood, Rear Wing, Rear Side Skirt Rear Diffuser. It’s hard to tell how much metal, plastic or carbon fiber actually makes up the car. (Example is the hood fully carbon or does it just have carbon inserts) The bottom of the car was completely concealed or has a full length diffuser on it. All The Carbon fiber work done on the GTR was pretty intense. It’s rare to see carbon work done that well without any flaws in the weaves around corners but then again this is the prototype/display car it hast to be perfect. In my humble opinion (IMHO) I would rather see a bit less carbon to help offset the cost or use the cost in a different area. I spent most of my time around the front of the car looking through the grill and peaking underneath trying to determine whether or not this thing is turbo charged. It looks like it may have an intercooler but at the same time it looks like it could just be a radiator. The cores looked pretty thick like an intercooler but it almost looked like it sits back too far. IMHO Engine wise it looks for sure that it will be in some V configuration. V8 or V6 (Turbo charged) The Front End: At first I didn’t like it but after walking around the car several times I started growing on me maybe its because of the uniqueness and quality of the carbon. Unlike the R34 GTR and prior GTR’s the front bumper size is huge. It’s hard to notice in the pictures but the bumper actually goes all the way up to the top of the headlights. I’m sure some aftermarket companies may stray away due to the mere size and costs to ship an item like this limiting your options to customize. The carbon portions looked like possible inserts if that’s the case I can see some cool item coming out of that area sometime. The mirrors looked to be wider than the g35 and 350z mirrors. If that’s the case you can never have too much view of the rear when maneuvering around. The brakes looked like unmarked brembo’s huge 6 pots up front and 4 pots rear with 2 piece rotors all around. (I believe the rotors will be one piece on the production version car) The front brakes alone look like enough stopping power to stop a bus. Here is a similar picture of what the fronts looked like http://my350z.com/gallery/files/1/3/3/5/CIMG1049.jpg The Exhaust: With the exception of the tips the exhaust looks very similar to that of 350Z and G35 in which the muffler runs left to right (or right to left) with pipes coming out the side of the muffler then doing a 90 degree turn. The quad tips of the exhaust making the car look mean from the rear, I can imagine the deep throaty sounds from coming from that exhaust just as MEAN!! Knowing how the Z’s and the G’s exhaust went from 2-1 I’m almost guessing this will be the same. The trunk: The Door seemed to be just a bit smaller than the G35. I saw no obvious way to open it. Also hard to tell if it will be larger or smaller than the G35 that mainly depends on the interior. I’m guessing it will be smaller. Overall after seeing the GTR in person I don’t think the pictures are doing the car full justice and I can’t wait to see the final product. Video Clip#2 17mgs with the car in rotation.. Save it to your desktop http://my350z.com/media/GTR2.avi
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10-20-2005, 12:35 PM
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you know, underneath the car, its probably just a G35 with a different body. none of the turbo, lotus tuned suspension, etc. its just a G35 wrap in the proto type body to show how the car will look like.
thats how BMW do it, their prototype cars usually only have a basic engine to move the car around.
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10-20-2005, 01:36 PM
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Well done.
I just read your post and watched the video - Great lunch break material! I think ill take mine in Ivory Pearl with Red Leather, Navi, XM, and every HKS bolt-on there is! 
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10-26-2005, 07:26 PM
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What I heard from the dealership
I was taking my car in for a repair estimate. Yes, my G got F'ed up big time!!! Anyhow, I started to talk to one of the service reps about the GT-R and he mentioned that it would be supercharged. This goes against past rumours about a twin turbo V6 setup. I'm guessing that it could be a supercharged V8 with a VK series engine which would be inline with the benchmark of production supercars, the Ferrari 360.
As for pricing, I'm not going to speculate until the production model is debuted which could introduce some reality to the Proto design. Mainly the extensive use of carbon fiber. I would wish it was $80k, but who knows if it could go up to over $100k. I'm dumping all my G35 upgrade plans and saving up for this monster. I just hope Infiniti won't rape honest enthusiasts with bloated market pricing on top of MSRP. I think Subaru was punishing dealerships that were overpricing their STis and only allowed them to sell at MSRP or Subaru would limit STi shipments or eliminate them entirely to offending dealerships.
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12-01-2005, 10:55 AM
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Thanks for the update. I too fall into the category of really not caring for the design at first, but the more I see its lines and get to see more details, the more I am finding that I like it. Yes there are still a few things that I just could live without. For one, all the carbon fiber. The contrast it has with the silver paint job, just doesn't do it for me.
Just as a side note, I've never seen a prototype car with windshield wipers, door handles, gas door, or antennas. It helps the onlooker see the car's lines without interuption. So I'm sure most of these things will creep up in the production model. I highly doubt that the car will have no door handles and be "keyless". But they may be integrated in a stealthy manner. The addition of these things to the production models are the cause for the "drastic" change people notice when they do their first test drive. As far as the engine. It'd be shame if it were a supercharged V8. I think the success of aftermarket turbos for the TT 300zx would help the situation. Plus the reduced weight as compared to the V8 would be desirable.
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#7
12-28-2005, 01:12 AM
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I gotta say that car looks good. Thing is, it would look good on the road TODAY. In two years' time the design will be less eye-catching and whatnot. It'll be almost outdated design - considering how much it looks like a G35 Coupe which came out in 2003, it will be have five-model-year-old design cues. Whatever else comes out before then (new M3, new S4, new S60R, and others, are all expected to be out before 2008. will also impact how its styling holds up.
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