Drove 07 G and 335i

[BigRed]

RBull hit the nail on the head, "Only time will tell especially with stock units having oil cooling problems out of the box with no mods." This is a serious issue with BMW's turbos right now.

My friend wants to pull the trigger real bad, but every time he reads about another puff of white smoke out the back of one the new bimmers, his smile fades a little bit more.

I have been trying to get him into a G for a while now, but the force is strong on the dark side!

[John105]

Originally Posted by Spoonie

What makes the 335i an econobox and the "G 35S" not an econobox?

Dunno, probably referring to the 29 mpg EPA rating on the highway. But I saw the weird theory here that the more you spend, the more easily you get higher fuel economy, like the new LS. Just like premium yields higher mpg. NOT!

[John105]

Originally Posted by BigRed

RBull hit the nail on the head, "Only time will tell especially with stock units having oil cooling problems out of the box with no mods." This is a serious issue with BMW's turbos right now.

Are you an Infiniti rep trying to get people to cancel their orders. What a bunch....well, forgot where I was for a second.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by John105

Dunno, probably referring to the 29 mpg EPA rating on the highway. But I saw the weird theory here that the more you spend, the more easily you get higher fuel economy, like the new LS. Just like premium yields higher mpg. NOT!

I never suggested you get better mpg with premium. As for 29 mpg, I have taken many trips between DC and Raleigh/NY and have consistently seen 28-29 mpg. However, I don't try to beat every car off the line. Nice easy run-up and maintain a steady speed. On the highway, I try and keep the Tach under 3,000 as much as possible. It worked in my '04, hope it works in my '07.

As for your second comment. NO, I am not an Infiniti rep. I just listed to my buddy b!t*h about that turbo problem constantly. I try and pull some data for you. Will that satisfy you?

[John105]

Originally Posted by theslik1

Until someone mods their 335, then you're back to square one. Shiv has already seen 70 whp gain at redline with rough ECU tweaks alone. That just isn't going to happen with the VQ.

Some of you seem to have a hard time accepting that BMW stepped up bigtime with the ponies and brought a total package. More power, better response to mods, and better mileage. I know it sucks, but things change.

The G easily wins the bang/buck war, that's why I respect it, and that's why it's on my short list along with the Bimmer. Most any car will theoretically spank a 335 in a straight line if you pour enough money into it, so why this is such an issue is beyond me. Trust me, 335 owners are chomping at the bit to turn up the wick, and it's going to be very easy to do. There will be enough spanking going around on both sides to satisfy everyone.

I saw that, so I guess you're at the e90post. At least that's the real deal, no hype, etc., unlike the comment that white smoke is coming out of 335 tailpipes. You're right, G35 is bang for buck--what's wrong with that? I, like you, cannot understand why the G35 has to be better than what it really is. It's excellent, but to say a 335 can't compare with it from an interior and exterior perspective, and then say a wire that runs exposed to the G35's mirror ain't no thing is bizarre, with a capital B and Z.

I was in the club hoping that the G35S could unseat the 330i when I read the MT article. When I was done, it didn't, I got over it. The 335 came out and the king became and ace.

[Spoonie]

Originally Posted by John105

Dunno, probably referring to the 29 mpg EPA rating on the highway. But I saw the weird theory here that the more you spend, the more easily you get higher fuel economy, like the new LS. Just like premium yields higher mpg. NOT!

I always thought that high MPG ratings are a good thing. Better performance and MPG to boot.

[Picus]

Originally Posted by Speedoholic

I'm sorry. I personally think that the 3 series interior not only isn't better than the G's, but it's actually worse. Speed wise? if you want to spend so much money on a split of second... be my guest. To each his own.

Maybe there's more to it than just that split second? Remember, these cars are clones of eachother with different engines.

Originally Posted by Samson

Well said TT. You will have a ride that will blow the doors off the BMW and still have some coin left over.

That is, until someone spends $1300 on a Xede and his 335i is doing 0-100mph in under 10 seconds (which Shiv's is). And you'll still be able to pop it out and have your warranty too.

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

I was soooo close... temptation was def there.
I have time so I decided to wait to compare the new coupe when it gets here.

That is, until you drive mine!

Sorry for the devil's advocate folks, but this thread was getting a little whacky. Frankly, as I mentioned in another G vs 3 thread, the '07 G sedan and 335i are almost more different than they are the same, I think they will appeal to different buyers.

Oh, and fwiw only one 335i engine has died (confirmed), it isn't like they're all keeling over in the streets. I drove mine for over an hour straight on the ring, average speed was over 100km/h, non-stop WOT, break, WOT, break, 75F, oil temp never went over 260F. That's an entire hour, 5 full laps, over 90 miles; as hard as you can track a car basically. There are actually less reported 335i oil temp problems than there were G35 oil consumption problems in the first 6 months. Funny.

Lastly - you do not want to get into the MPG thing here. The G, old and new, despite it's awesome value, is a gas pig.

[John105]

Originally Posted by picus112

Maybe there's more to it than just that split second? Remember, these cars are clones of eachother with different engines.



That is, until someone spends $1300 on a Xede and his 335i is doing 0-100mph in under 10 seconds (which Shiv's is). And you'll still be able to pop it out and have your warranty too.



That is, until you drive mine!

Sorry for the devil's advocate folks, but this thread was getting a little whacky. Frankly, as I mentioned in another G vs 3 thread, the '07 G sedan and 335i are almost more different than they are the same, I think they will appeal to different buyers.

Oh, and fwiw only one 335i engine has died (confirmed), it isn't like they're all keeling over in the streets. I drove mine for over an hour straight on the ring, average speed was over 100km/h, non-stop WOT, break, WOT, break, 75F, oil temp never went over 260F. That's an entire hour, 5 full laps, over 90 miles; as hard as you can track a car basically. There are actually less reported 335i oil temp problems than there were G35 oil consumption problems in the first 6 months. Funny.

I'm with you Picus, I'm expecting to take delivery 2nd Sat. in Dec., if all goes well. Car is produced and awaiting transport. Now the fun begins, getting the ship info from the CA.

I don't know about you, I have no interest in racing people and proving my car is faster than theirs. I wouldn't do that with a G35, 335, or 997 turbo. Losing in my Nissan to that (*)&(^&*#$#(&* 25 y.o. pharmacist upstairs with the Audi 2.7T taught me a real lesson in humility.

[Picus]

I don't street race, besides I couldn't care less which is 0.2 quicker, it isn't about that for me. I bought the 335i because I like it a lot - the '07 G is a fantastic car, an almost sinful bargain at the price; but imo they are two very different cars that will unfortunately be compared only because they have similar HP figures. Cheers.

[GEE35FX]

Originally Posted by picus112

That is, until you drive mine!
Sorry for the devil's advocate folks, but this thread was getting a little whacky. Frankly, as I mentioned in another G vs 3 thread, the '07 G sedan and 335i are almost more different than they are the same, I think they will appeal to different buyers.
Lastly - you do not want to get into the MPG thing here. The G, old and new, despite it's awesome value, is a gas pig.

That is, until you drive mine!

Heck there are so many peeps that will gladly take you up on that offer Kevin


Sorry for the devil's advocate folks, but this thread was getting a little whacky. Frankly, as I mentioned in another G vs 3 thread, the '07 G sedan and 335i are almost more different than they are the same, I think they will appeal to different buyers.
Lastly - you do not want to get into the MPG thing here. The G, old and new, despite it's awesome value, is a gas pig

True

[theslik1]

Originally Posted by BigRed

RBull hit the nail on the head, "Only time will tell especially with stock units having oil cooling problems out of the box with no mods." This is a serious issue with BMW's turbos right now.

Actually, no...335's are suffering no more (probably fewer) first year bugs than any other make/model. One guy's engine blew (thoroughly documented), and all of a sudden you were seeing threads everywhere about 335's blowing up regularly. Sorry, no dice. One guy, that was it. If you check out the overheating threads on bimmerfest or e90post you quickly learn there's alot of "Is it true that 335's are overheating blah blah blah" and very little hard data. The vast majority of owners are seeing normal temps even during hard runs. The biggest pain in the *** will probably end up being the "seatbelt butler", which is a poorly conceived gizmo that nobody really wanted (except the marketing folks, I imagine). Oh, and window regulators.

If you can provide hard data to prove a "serious issue", then you'll be the first. Good luck with that.

[InTgr8r]

Originally Posted by picus112

That is, until you drive mine!

LOL... time will tell Kevin.
It's going to be a pain waiting....
But the way it looks now, I'll be comparing a couple of '08s next fall.

[Picus]

I'm going to park outside Ian's house and rev my engine.

[GEE35FX]

Originally Posted by picus112

I'm going to park outside Ian's house and rev my engine.

ROFLMAO...........you are a major tease Kevin

[andy2]

Originally Posted by John105

I was in the club hoping that the G35S could unseat the 330i when I read the MT article. When I was done, it didn't, I got over it. The 335 came out and the king became and ace.

I think it's easy for a car magazine to say which is better and which is not better. They do not have to spend their own money to purchase a car neither do they have to run a car company that have to be concerned with the bottom line. Whatever decisions they make ultimately have little or no real consequences and after all said and done the whole comparo was just hypothetical and academic.

There are good reasons why bmw discontinues the 330 in just one year and that shows what kind of threat the new g35 (and future g35 coupe) can pose to bmw