turbo stock vs. NA stock

[lekker_droom]

I posted this in another thread (SC coupe and BMW) but it's something I have been noticing for a while so as not to hijack the other thread I gave it it's own.

Seriously, am I nuts or does a NA car vs. a turbo car, stock vs. stock, make any sense?

I mean the new Bimmer is twin turbo and making 300, my 6MT in NA and making 300, now what happens if I twin turbo it. Or better yet if it came with twin turbos from the factory.

You guys act like the G is soooooo slow comparing it to all turbo charged cars. Pull the turbo off an STI or EVO or even the new 335 and see how they perform or better yet, equip the G with single or twin turbo's and see how it performs.

You don't need to give me **** for this either, it's a fair question isn't it?

[Nismo G]

i completely agree, it pisses me off as well, but usally people that are comparing these cars with ours dont know that they are a different class. I know how you feel though, it pisses me off.

-sean

[jinubob81]

i don't get it... why would you pull the turbo/supercharger off of a car that comes like that from the factory?

That's like saying, "Yeah? Your liter gixxer wouldn't be so fast if we put my fat girlfriend on it!" or "It's not fair to compare the G35 coupe to my 1994 Corolla (with spoiler!)... let's see how fast your G is when you take 1.7 liters of displacement from the engine!"

They're just different cars, competing in different markets (with the exception of the 335...). Just get over the fact that, in the performance market, the g35 is not a star, but an all-rounder. A porky, underpowered, all-rounder.

[Picus]

This thread makes my brain hurt. Seriously, comparing stock cars is comparing stock cars. You can talk about hypotheticals all day, it doesn't change what is...

[Hi-Tech_G]

I understand exactly where you are comming from. It's basically saying these other cars are worthless without some type of FI system. They want to compete with performance but guess what a factory G will give a WRX a run for its money and if there are bolt ons on the G ie: exhaust, intake, headers it's a wrap. It's all about compitition!

[Picus]

You guys talk about FI like it's some sort of cheat. FI has been around for a long time, it's just another method of gaining power without a lot of weight/displacement, the same as supercharging. Clearly manufacturers like Subaru, Mitsubishi, and BMW can make NON-FI'd engines producing over 300hp easily, they just chose not to for these cars because in this application they determined FI was the better route.

I'm seriously confused by this thread. When comparing stock cars you're comparing them based on how they come from the factory, regardless of whether or not thats NA, FI, AWD, Supercharged, with wings, etc.

If you want to slap a twin turbo on your G then more power to you. It'll cost ~10k and you'll have no warranty, but you'll have a quick car. The problem is that's not how the car comes from the factory, so how can you compare it reasonably to other cars that are stock? Once you throw modding into the mix you open up so many theoretical possibilities it becomes very difficult to compare cars.

[Hi-Tech_G]

But you'd take the fun out of modding it. I mean I wouldn't say FI is a cheat but I think if it comes with car and you do simple upgrades then I would call you lazy. I wathced my boys 99 SI with a Turbonetics turbo and some tuning mash an EVOIII. The guy in the EVO III talked 10 yards of crap beofre the run started . I like the cars and they are fun to drive but in my opnion a warranty is a warranty and sooner or later it will expire.I am pretty sure that Infiniti/Nissan engineers can build a mean N/A motor to put out a massive amount of power as well.

[Picus]

Of course they can, they have a V8 in the M45 and QX; they are also producing a 3.7L TT for the GTR, I never meant to infer Nissan engineers don't know how to make a great engine - hell, the VQ is an amazing engine. They just chose to approach the G in a different way than the other manufacturer's mentioned approached their cars. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

[brianyun]

supra rapes all

[Klubbheads]

This thread is repost #25.

[VQ Hotness]

I love this thread.

[C]

Originally Posted by picus112

This thread makes my brain hurt. Seriously, comparing stock cars is comparing stock cars. You can talk about hypotheticals all day, it doesn't change what is...

totally agree...

[Skaterbasist]

A stock car, no matter what it is or has (N/A or FI)... It is what it is.

I would agree that comparing a MODDED car to a STOCK car is unfair. But the topic doesnt apply to this particular situation.

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[GreenGoblin]

o boy

[ISMSOLUTIONS]

If you want to compare cars - in an apples to apples scenario - fine, but don't 'remove the turbo's' from another car to make them apples to apples..because they're not....just compare to another model.

Rick