Rumors starting about 335i ECU upgrade from BMW

[Potty_Pants]

One thing is true turbo's can be adjusted for major gains and if the rumors are true...

the 335i could have the HP & Torque surpass the G37.

damn infiniti trumps they are the HP leader... and next day bmw says uh was the leader... were now pushing 350HP and 350 torque (actual increases arent know at this point just speculated).

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[PhxBlue]

Yup. BMW wont be outdone for very long.

[ttrank]

After being behind for so long with the 330 they don't want to give up that top spot.

[jackygor]

I dont know what BMW is going with the 335i, its really fast AND very tunable. I bet it will steal some sales from their M series. I mean, someone like me who does not like to spend anymore money that is need is going to get the 335i instead of the new M3, because the 335i can easily kick M3's butt after chip and exhaust. But I guess i would not be the targeted market for the new M3 :P

[G-WannaBe]

Unless it was on a post i did not see, anyone the least bit curious why now, a year before this car will hit dealers, that a full all out attack was waged into the media about this car at this time? There are some web sites with pages and pages and pages of more detail then i can ever remember being put out about a car you cant drive for over a year, and even this past week BMW put out new pics about a new sleek 4 door sedan that is also pure concept stage.

They are very savvy, and they know who their main competition is. Anyone who says Infiniti can't run with Bimmer, and there are a number of posters here who blast that message loud and clear, why then would BMW time this massive press attack exactly right now? What other car but the new G37 was just @ NYIAS that is a competitor and is ready for the public? The Lexus coupe is a ways away, but maybe you can make an argument they are thinking it will be future competition - but the main reason is to spoil Infiniti's big day. Go to a magazine stand right now and what do you see? The new G37? Nope - cover shots all over the place of the new M. You got to hand it to those Bavarian planners, they got the press eating out of their hand and running for more...

[///M32G35]

I don't think the G37 competes directly with the M3. Unless Infiniti opens up a performance division like M or AMG, they will always be competing with the standard 3 series. 335 and G37 is a more apt comparison. As of right now, BMW's main competition is Audi, IMO. With the new M3 they are shooting for Porsche.

For the record, their timing is the same on every M3 release. Concept in Geneva, production car in Frankfurt, US release the following spring.

[Potty_Pants]

you guys have it all right...

the 335i may perform close to the M currently... but its light years behind the new M (brakes,engine,weight,electronics). so bumping up the 335i HP 30-60-90 isnt going to make it a 2008 M3 killer. but it will make it a G37 killer.

The turbos make it soo easy to add a couple more PSI and its surpassed the performance of the G37. The rear is another matter * shrug* dunno guess having a LSD from BMW would make them very close to the new M.

the only way the G coupe is going to compete against the M is to release a new engine or just say the new skyline is the competetor ?

bmw lost big time when the G35 came out... HANDS DOWN. now they came back with a vengence abit higher price but taking back the lead. Infiniti prob planned to put the new 3.5HR in the coupe but might of had info about the 335i during their 2008 G coupe planning stages so they had to push for the 3.7... but imo they arent competing against the 335i they are against the 325 or whatever model bmw makes NA. and they win in that corner... but they dont have anything to compete against the 4k more (over the 325 to 335i) car. Infiniti needs to slap a turbo on the 3.5 or 3.7 and call it a day... they can take the lead again !

I dont watch football but it seems infiniti fumbled the ball this time around... sit still and the world will pass you by.

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[Picus]

I don't think we will see a "zhp" version of the 335i until it's last production year, like the e46 330i. Maybe a mid-cycle bump to 330hp or something, I doubt it'll be '08 though.

As for "light years" behind the new M; I don't think so, which is why I don't think we will see a ZHP for awhile. As it stands, the 335i + PROcede will probably hang with a new M3, which isn't going to make BMW very happy.

Personally I think it's all kind of moot. 3 series sales, despite the new competition, are higher than ever. BMW can always count on badge whores to keep 3 series sales strong, which is why they were so far behind the hp curve for so long.

[Potty_Pants]

I disagree picus... but lets agree to disagree

grr kids going nutz at house cant say any more


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[///M32G35]

Originally Posted by picus112

I don't think we will see a "zhp" version of the 335i until it's last production year, like the e46 330i. Maybe a mid-cycle bump to 330hp or something, I doubt it'll be '08 though.

As for "light years" behind the new M; I don't think so, which is why I don't think we will see a ZHP for awhile. As it stands, the 335i + PROcede will probably hang with a new M3, which isn't going to make BMW very happy.

Personally I think it's all kind of moot. 3 series sales, despite the new competition, are higher than ever. BMW can always count on badge whores to keep 3 series sales strong, which is why they were so far behind the hp curve for so long.

I'm going to have to disagree. Unless you can gain 120+ hp from the ECU upgrade you ain't gonna hang. New M3 will be lighter, gearing will be shorter, LSD for traction. Expect 0-60 of 4.4 and 1/4 mile times of 12.75. Keep in mind that is not even where the M3 shines. 40 mph roll-ons and the new M will be tough to handle.

[G-WannaBe]

My Bad - was not clear enough. I was just talking timing, of course the M and the 37are not aimed at each other from either side. It was just a convenient timed release om the M to spoil their coming out party, too convenient.

I think BMW upped the playing field a great deal with the release of the 335, and now Infiniti comes out and is taking a direct swing at that very model, unlike some previous competitors who are always catching up, these are right on top of eachother in performance and market timing.

But since they had the M in their back pocket, why not release the details now and take the 37 out of the headlines. seemingly designed and aimed at concurrent release, it would have been a prudent move if planned, but we will never know. Just looks like it was...

I hope that the twin turbo version of the G is more then just internet rumor.

2 interesting lines from the review on the Nis sport mag web site - I know these are not new, but still interesting to see them reporting it as well as other sites:

"re G37 - Final horsepower numbers are estimated to be in excess of 330 hp"

"MORE INFINITI G37 COUPE NEWS: We'll have a more complete analysis of the G37 in the Spring 2007 issue of Nissan Sport, including rumors of a hardtop convertible, a 500+ hp twin turbo version, and more"

http://www.nissansportmag.com/newsno...8g37coupe.html

If true, that would be the M fighter, but for now we can only wait to test the 37 and see if she lives up to the hype. Maybe I should consider a 1 year lease in case the TT is set to come out in 08? Anyone else see a lot of talk about the TT?

[Picus]

Originally Posted by ///M32G35

I'm going to have to disagree. Unless you can gain 120+ hp from the ECU upgrade you ain't gonna hang. New M3 will be lighter, gearing will be shorter, LSD for traction. Expect 0-60 of 4.4 and 1/4 mile times of 12.75. Keep in mind that is not even where the M3 shines. 40 mph roll-ons and the new M will be tough to handle.

When I say hang, I don't mean beat. PROcede'd 335is are already pulling 4.6's and 1/4 mile times of high 12's. Keep in mind, that's not even where the 335i shines... it's got faster passing times than most cars that cost $50k more. Given the M3's hp/tq curve, I will not be shocked if 40-100mph is as fast in a PROcede'd 335i.

Listen, I am not saying the M3 won't absolutely maim a 335i on the track. I am saying that I don't think BMW will release a 335i with more hp/tq right now, because it was take away from the new M's thunder, so to speak.

[nghiars]

i heard guys on the bimmer forums saying that chipped 335's are smoking the new m5's... the 335s will be much more mod friendly than any M series

[Potty_Pants]

well hell damn near any turbo from the factory can be tweaked for major power... some at the cost of reduced operational life span. imo its a smart way to go for bmw... where infiniti released a new engine with great output and if history serves correct only tweaks to the engine will yield 5-10hp (nothing major) where bmw just has to bump up the psi and they just beat infiniti by the numbers game.

btw guys if you remember much about the HP wars with motorcycles it ended as such... they all had a gentleman's agreement not to exceed XX amount... because anything over 198mph or whatever the deal was was too much and it would cost even more to produce. should be interesting to see how the car manufactures handle it... they will reach a time where too much HP is too much.

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[jasonlee4180]

^^^

Well, I hope that time to cap power doesn't come around anytime soon. Things are getting really good for us buyers =))). I can't wait until I have an opportunity to buy an affordable factory twin turbo ~400hp car with a full warranty (*drool).

However, I really do wish more manufacturer's like Nissan/Infiniti will consider adding turbos to their sporty cars, so I don't have to buy an expensive aftermarket kit.