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The clock is ticking as Japanese manufacturer Nissan starts the countdown to the launch of its new GT-R supercar in November

And as part of the preparations, the 450bhp V6-engined, four-wheel-drive machine is aiming to make a series of record-breaking runs at the legendary Nürburgring circuit in Germany. It was heading there when our spies saw the car - and snapped this first picture of the interior.

According to experts, the newcomer is currently completing laps of the dem*anding track in only seven minutes, 15 seconds - which means the Nissan is averaging as much as 110mph! The assessments are being carried out while the car is still in its disguised form, with black masking covering the nose and rear end. However, what is clear - thanks to our exclusive picture of the cabin - is that an LCD display will take pride of place in the centre of the GT-R's dashboard.

The latest Nissan will get a semi-automatic gearbox and bucket-style racing seats, too. Company bosses have yet to confirm when the car will go on sale in this country. How*ever, it's believed the new Skyline could set buyers back more than £55,000 should they wish to im*port one personally from Japan.

Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms:
www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg

6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05), (*street-legal only in the UK)
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....0905/index.php
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....ring/index.php
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael D?g (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15* -- 170.48 km/h -- 2008 Nissan GT-R, 450 PS/??? kg (*mfr.) provisional entry, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...issan_gtr.html
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), http://www.edo-competition.de/filead...eife_runde.avi
http://www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_wo...ngmeister.html
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/new...iefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h ? Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news,
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther R? (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther R? (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h ? Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ? Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h ? Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h ? Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y...ID=1384471&l=d

[frshgcoupe]

WOW! this seems to be official too

[w2870612]

i think that's GTR evo version, which cost you at least $100,000 USD

[350Zed]

Originally Posted by w2870612

i think that's GTR evo version, which cost you at least $100,000 USD

What's your point?

That lap time beats a number of Porsche Carrera GTs, Pagani Zonda Fs, a Koenigsegg CCR, a Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, a Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, a Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, etc etc etc

Each of those cars costs at least double your quoted "$100,000 USD".

[///M32G35]

Price notwithstanding, I think the article is a bit misleading. If, in fact, it is the EVO version then their claim of the 450hp GT-R setting record breaking times is a simple misprint, misunderstanding, or bold faced lie. I personally wouldn't count on a 450hp car weighing in at 3400lbs + to be turning times like that, a 600+ hp car however is a whole different story.

[b00stedjustin]

Originally Posted by w2870612

i think that's GTR evo version, which cost you at least $100,000 USD

we don't even know if there will be an "evo" version. The different versions are just rumours. They have only been testing one version, but still even if it does cost 100k, it holds the fastest production car record on that track. Fukkkkkkkk the connessegg (sp), Murcialago, Zonda, etc.

[b00stedjustin]

Originally Posted by ///M32G35

Price notwithstanding, I think the article is a bit misleading. If, in fact, it is the EVO version then their claim of the 450hp GT-R setting record breaking times is a simple misprint, misunderstanding, or bold faced lie. I personally wouldn't count on a 450hp car weighing in at 3400lbs + to be turning times like that, a 600+ hp car however is a whole different story.

why would they be testing a 600 hp version of the new GT-R? If they did that to just generate hype, and people figured it out, it would be insanely degrating to the GT-R reputation. It's called the new Atessa ET-S system (which will be the most sophisticated AWD setup on a road car with 4 wheel steering), the FM platform, and ONLY weighting 3400 lbs (we don't know the actual weight) etc.!!! Nissan never listed what the car was making or weighting so it could't possibly be a "lie" bimmer boy!!!

[350Zed]

Originally Posted by b00stedjustin

why would they be testing a 600 hp version of the new GT-R? If they did that to just generate hype, and people figured it out, it would be insanely degrating to the GT-R reputation. It's called the new Atessa ET-S system (which will be the most sophisticated AWD setup on a road car with 4 wheel steering), the FM platform, and ONLY weighting 3400 lbs (we don't know the actual weight) etc.!!! Nissan never listed what the car was making or weighting so it could't possibly be a "lie" bimmer boy!!!

If anyone here is being a fanboy, it's you. Learn the facts before you talk out of your anus... and learn to spell weighing while you're at it.

The article is misleading... or possibly the author just doesn't have all the fast straight. The quoted 450PS (~444bhp) peak power figure with a 3400 lbs curb weight does not give you a power-to-weight figure good enough to lap the 'ring with that kind of time.

I suspect they are misquoting both the peak power and weight ratings, and this is in fact the rumored 530bhp model that has been stripped-down--i.e., it may be offered is a less-luxury-oriented "track" version, such as Nissan did with the 350Z at initial launch.

[///M32G35]

Originally Posted by b00stedjustin

why would they be testing a 600 hp version of the new GT-R? If they did that to just generate hype, and people figured it out, it would be insanely degrading to the GT-R reputation. It's called the new Atessa ET-S system (which will be the most sophisticated AWD setup on a road car with 4 wheel steering), the FM platform, and ONLY weighing 3400 lbs (we don't know the actual weight) etc.!!! Nissan never listed what the car was making or weighting so it could't possibly be a "lie" bimmer boy!!!

Fixed. And if you honestly think that a 444 hp car, even if it weighed in at 3000 lbs, can lap the 'ring faster than a 545 hp car weighing in at 2800 lbs (GT2 RS)then you have some serious blinders on. I'm not a fanboy, I can appreciate an awesome car, and the GT-R will most definitely be awesome. As will the new M3, and the RS5, and the LS3 Vette. But let's be realistic, the GT-R is not lapping almost as fast as a Radical SR8, that's just ridiculous.

[b00stedjustin]

Originally Posted by 350Zed

If anyone here is being a fanboy, it's you. Learn the facts before you talk out of your anus... and learn to spell weighing while you're at it.

The article is misleading... or possibly the author just doesn't have all the fast straight. The quoted 450PS (~444bhp) peak power figure with a 3400 lbs curb weight does not give you a power-to-weight figure good enough to lap the 'ring with that kind of time.

I suspect they are misquoting both the peak power and weight ratings, and this is in fact the rumored 530bhp model that has been stripped-down--i.e., it may be offered is a less-luxury-oriented "track" version, such as Nissan did with the 350Z at initial launch.

ummmmm, we already saw the interior pics of this prototype and it has full interior. The 530 hp one is just a RUMOUR not facts!!! Idiots!!! The article is not misleading because it displays nothing but the time and the car for the GT-R. It's you whom is having trouble. I did read the article chief. Oh, and everybodys' writing is horrible on this forum so your claim is pretty stupid.

[b00stedjustin]

Originally Posted by ///M32G35

Fixed. And if you honestly think that a 444 hp car, even if it weighed in at 3000 lbs, can lap the 'ring faster than a 545 hp car weighing in at 2800 lbs (GT2 RS)then you have some serious blinders on. I'm not a fanboy, I can appreciate an awesome car, and the GT-R will most definitely be awesome. As will the new M3, and the RS5, and the LS3 Vette. But let's be realistic, the GT-R is not lapping almost as fast as a Radical SR8, that's just ridiculous.

Ummmmmm, I have seen these stats a number of places. This was the subject on a thread at My350Z.com too. The numbers are real. We already saw the GT-R spanking the new 911 turbo earlier last year. Is this that hard to beleive? I don't think so....

p.s. There are going to be a lot of sick cars coming out in the next year or two (minus the vette lol). I'm sooooo excited!!!

[Jeff92se]

Odd that one would think the GTR would weigh 3400lbs when that's what a RWD only sedan weighs. Add all the extra turbo stuff and especially the AWD mechanicals and you are going to be looking at 3600-3800lbs IMHO

[b00stedjustin]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

Odd that one would think the GTR would weigh 3400lbs when that's what a RWD only sedan weighs. Add all the extra turbo stuff and especially the AWD mechanicals and you are going to be looking at 3600-3800lbs IMHO

more than likely, but if you consider that the other parts will be significantly lightened. The R34 was notorious for using tons of CF.

[///M32G35]

Originally Posted by b00stedjustin

Ummmmmm, I have seen these stats a number of places. This was the subject on a thread at My350Z.com too. The numbers are real. We already saw the GT-R spanking the new 911 turbo earlier last year. Is this that hard to beleive? I don't think so....

p.s. There are going to be a lot of sick cars coming out in the next year or two (minus the vette lol). I'm sooooo excited!!!

911 Turbo I can believe, given that the Nissans AWD system is much better than Porsches, from what I hear. Also, next to the GT-R's time there is an asterisk, and next to that asterisk there is this (mfgr). So to me that means that these are manufacturers claimed numbers. Don't get me wrong, I'm positive that this car is going to be an absolute beast. I just don't think it's going to be the fastest production car ever.

I also agree about the sickness of the HP wars, next couple of years are going to be nuts!

[Jeff92se]

Originally Posted by b00stedjustin

more than likely, but if you consider that the other parts will be significantly lightened. The R34 was notorious for using tons of CF.

Well the turbo and awd systems will probably add at least a 250-300lbs to an already not that light G platform at 3400lbs approx already.

Using enough CF to get it back to 3400lbs is soo difficult and expensive. They also have to use huge brake rotors which add weight. If they use 19" or 20" wheels stock, they will have to use forged versions to even get them acceptably light. Even the relatively thin forged coupe 19s aren't any lighter than the cast 17" wheels.

I'm just saying it's extremely difficult to cut weight w/o really hiking the costs. CF hood/trunk might help. CF seat buckets will save a ton but you will lose the airbags and seat adjustments etc... Suspension is already forged aluminum so not much to be gained there.....