LULZ -- Most biased comparison ever, of course by Edmunds (GTR vs ZR1)

[viking35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU


The voice of the narrator (and his redneck accent and tone) and the ending of the video just signifies this comparison, the ZR1 literally making donuts around the GTR... Funny how they know the ZR1 has over 100 more hp than the GTR yet they make it seem like some kind of engineering triumph. Weird thing is Edmunds surprisingly praised the GTR in their first test when they borrowed some owners overseas. I guess they wanted to show a positive review then because they were one of the first to get their hands on the car. Do they really think a 600 hp GTR won't be able to hang with a ZR1? How the **** did they get a 96 ft from 60 mph for the ZR1 brakes and a .93 skid pad for the GTR? This is why so many people hate American cars because of this kind of biased ****. This is the exact same attitude all Corvette owners have.

[WhosUrBuddiee]

It is not biased one bit. The ZR-1 is another level above the GTR. The GTR is better compared to the Z06. I love the GTR and it is an engineering marvel, but it still cant compete with the ZR-1 and a good driver. The new ACR Viper and ZR-1 Vette are just pure monsters.

[UltimateGee27]

Originally Posted by WhosUrBuddiee

It is not biased one bit. The ZR-1 is another level above the GTR. The GTR is better compared to the Z06. I love the GTR and it is an engineering marvel, but it still cant compete with the ZR-1 and a good driver. The new ACR Viper and ZR-1 Vette are just pure monsters.

so based off your comment and lets assume that all magazines share the same view as you.....THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN COMPARING THE 2?

if the ZR1 is on another level then the gtr then why even compare the 2? and do the comparison as if they are equally priced and have equally the same power???

[viking35]

Originally Posted by WhosUrBuddiee

It is not biased one bit. The ZR-1 is another level above the GTR. The GTR is better compared to the Z06. I love the GTR and it is an engineering marvel, but it still cant compete with the ZR-1 and a good driver. The new ACR Viper and ZR-1 Vette are just pure monsters.

Its not biased ONE BIT? What the fuk do you mean it's an engineering marvel but can't compete with the ZR1? Only thing that makes the GTR slower is the hp difference and the weight. The reason it weighs so much more (700lbs) is because it was designed to be a comfortable everyday supercar. You think the Vspec, with 550 hp and 330 lbs lighter, won't be able to hang with a ZR1?

[Sukairain]

It's ok, at least the GT-R is faster than the Escalade, which is arguably the most desirable car in the GM lineup.

[dec55]

Originally Posted by viking35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU


The voice of the narrator (and his redneck accent and tone) and the ending of the video just signifies this comparison, the ZR1 literally making donuts around the GTR... Funny how they know the ZR1 has over 100 more hp than the GTR yet they make it seem like some kind of engineering triumph. Weird thing is Edmunds surprisingly praised the GTR in their first test when they borrowed some owners overseas. I guess they wanted to show a positive review then because they were one of the first to get their hands on the car. Do they really think a 600 hp GTR won't be able to hang with a ZR1? How the **** did they get a 96 ft from 60 mph for the ZR1 brakes and a .93 skid pad for the GTR? This is why so many people hate American cars because of this kind of biased ****. This is the exact same attitude all Corvette owners have.

Vspec,and Evo are coming....and maybe a V8 GTR..... these guys should compete with these instead of the "Base" GTR.

[r0csfinest]

yes. zr-1 vs gtr is a stuuuuuuuuupid comparison. v-spec vs zr1 should be better

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by dec55

Vspec,and Evo are coming....and maybe a V8 GTR..... these guys should compete with these instead of the "Base" GTR.

i like your thinking... but nissan already said it would be basically the same engine, but with more boost, a beefed up transmission, aero parts, lighter components, and better brakes.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Edmunds

... If your driving skills slot anywhere below that of an SCCA road-racing champion, you'll probably go faster in the GT-R....

... So where does that leave the 2009 Nissan GT-R? It'll be just fine, we suspect. It delivers similar performance in a package that's far less intimidating and infinitely more usable. Sure, the ZR1 has the capability on the track, but exploiting that performance on the street is another matter. This Corvette will blow anything out of the water in a straight line, but on a twisty mountain road all that power is difficult to harness...

it's stronger... but not necessarily faster for everybody.

i'm sure the road test at gm's proving grounds (as previously discussed on other forums) have nothing to do with this story...

why not compare a 505hp z06, and a 480hp gt-r???

who the f*ck is that retarded? nevermind. it was gm. they must've paid a lot of money for edmunds to do this. i guess sales are down...

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Sukairain

It's ok, at least the GT-R is faster than the Escalade, which is arguably the most desirable car in the GM lineup.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by werewolf

Yuck ... the video has a clear ZR1 bias that got on my nerves. Here's a quote from the dynoshop section of the video :

"The Nissan GT-R is rated from the factory at 480 HP and 430 lb-ft of torque, BUT on the dyno it put down 406 HP and 399 lb-ft of torque. The more powerful ZR1 is rated at 638 HP and 604 lb-ft of torque. On the dyno it delivered an AMAZING 505 HP at the wheels and 494 lb-ft of torque."

Why the "BUT" in the dyno results of the GT-R?

Assuming a 15% drivetrain loss, we would EXPECT the GT-R to put down 408 HP at the wheels. And we would EXPECT the more powerful ZR1 to put down 542 HP at the wheels. The narrator's script is clearly intended to shock the listener with the "bigger number", while leading the listener to believe that the Nissan isn't making it's rated numbers.

But it isn't the Nissan that's coming up short on the dyno ...

i saw those dyno numbers, and thought the same thing, but was too lazy to do the math...

for those of you corvette/anti gt-r fans that think this article is not biased... please comment about this post.

[viking35]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

i saw those dyno numbers, and thought the same thing, but was too lazy to do the math...

for those of you corvette/anti gt-r fans that think this article is not biased... please comment about this post.

Only dumb rednecks will actually listen to those dyno numbers and think "my gawd, the ZR1 rocks!! and the GTR sucks!!! yee hah!!"

[WhosUrBuddiee]

Originally Posted by UltimateGee27

so based off your comment and lets assume that all magazines share the same view as you.....THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN COMPARING THE 2?

if the ZR1 is on another level then the gtr then why even compare the 2? and do the comparison as if they are equally priced and have equally the same power???

People can compare anything they want. GT-R vs Z06 is a fair and V-Spec vs ZR-1 is fair.
They are not equally priced and do not have the same power, which is it dumb to compare the two.

[WhosUrBuddiee]

Originally Posted by viking35

Its not biased ONE BIT? What the fuk do you mean it's an engineering marvel but can't compete with the ZR1? Only thing that makes the GTR slower is the hp difference and the weight. The reason it weighs so much more (700lbs) is because it was designed to be a comfortable everyday supercar. You think the Vspec, with 550 hp and 330 lbs lighter, won't be able to hang with a ZR1?

No it is no biased. It was a unfair comparison where the better performing car clearly came out. I cant believe you said "The only thing that makes the GTR slower is the hp difference and the weight." The only thing that makes my G35 slower than a Ferrari 430 is the hp difference and the weight too. And the main reason the Vette is lighter is due to construction, it still has Navi, leather, voice command, heated seats, heads up display, magnetic ride control and other luxury features. The ZR-1 has an all carbon fiber roof, hood, fenders, roof bow, front bumper and rocker moldings. Also an aluminum frame. That is why it is lighter and has a better power to weight ratio than Murcielago and 599. Also the ZR-1 huge carbon ceramic rotors were designed to last THE LIFE of the car. It can still claim 20 mpg highway. The only real drawback is paying for the huge 335 rear tires And the ZR-1 can hit the 3.4 60 ft time without voiding the warranty.

Like I said before, the Vspec and ZR-1 would be a much fairer comparison and I would love to see how it turns out. Both cars are marvels of engineering and it is stupid to slam a car that clearly out performs the GTR in every category. I would really like to see them throw the new ACR in the mix too. You wouldn't be throwing a fit if they compared the GTR to a 430 evolution and it got stomped.

I love cars...old, new, foreign, domestic, big, small. Just seems to be too much GTR nut swinging in here.

[mIKE]

GT-R vs ZR-1

How about GT2 VS GT3

Or EVO vs Carrera

the cars are in completely different categories.

They just both happen to be the pinnacle of each manufacturer.

While we're at it, why not include a GT3 CUP? Oh wait, that's a race car, not a GT car.