Launch Control GONE for 2010! Your 09 Cars are now PRICELESS!

[mpgxsvcd]

Launch Control GONE for 2010! Your 09 Cars are now PRICELESS! As long as they don't have a broken transmission that is!

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...h-control.html

[medgar]

Holy $hit! I wonder if they will offer a manual instead in the future?

[Klubbheads]

it should suffer at least 0.5 in a 1/4 mile run. 0-60 4.4 sec on a good day.

[bruddahmanmatt]

I'm still convinced that the majority of those GR6 gearbox failures were the fault of stupid drivers who expected to be able to hard launch an AWD car over and over again and not expect any problems in return. Yah it was a d**k move for Nissan to push the feature so hard in magazines and use it to cut their 0-60 times and then magically deny its existance in the owners manual when buyers picked up their cars. And yah it was a d**k move to void warranties if you simply disabled VDC (which we all know they did because it's the last step on the way to LC which Nissan just so happened to forget how to activate on the GT-R come time to write the owners manual) but still...you wouldn't high rpm hard launch your own stick and clutch manual and not expect s**t to break down prematurely.

I must say however that this does prove that Nissan is a real publicity whore in the same way they quietly raised the price of the GT-R a whopping $7k a month or two after its US introduction just so the magazine tests published earlier would show it as being more affordable than a Z06. I'm sure the price hike was mentioned in small blurbs the following months, but I'm guessing Nissan was smart enough to realize that most people only remembered the original "cheaper than a Z06" taglines that appeared in initial reviews.

Similarly, those who aren't in the know will only remember the GT-R for it's blazingly quick 3.5 second 0-60 time which was only made possible through the use of LC. Most folks will either never notice or quickly forget that all vehicles built after the first year of production only make the run in 4.5 seconds or so.

My guess, is that maybe...MAYBE LC returns on the V-Spec. I'm guessing Nissan will be more willing to deal with a few hassles than a great deal of hassles since they only plan to sell a few V-Specs compared with the standard run in the mill GT-R. Not to mention everyone will immediately look to the V-Spec for acceleration figures over the base GT-R.

/2 cents.

On a side note, a couple of my service buddies over at Infiniti were joking around one day about how long it would take Nissan to remove LC after whoring it out to magazines for 0-60 figures but denying its existance to owners. Not long apparently.

[GZire]

^^^On raising the MSRP. I think one issue is the limited number of vehicles versus the recovery of investment (specialized training, specialized equipment, etc.). I had made a rough guess and thought that the dealer needs to recoup something like $40,000 - $60,000 to break even.

As far as loss of LC - I gots mine.

[dec55]

Originally Posted by Klubbheads

it should suffer at least 0.5 in a 1/4 mile run. 0-60 4.4 sec on a good day.

Nah......they tried it without launch control...just hit the acclerator...

it hit 4.0 sec with no problem.

My guess they will have to lighten the car or give the car more horse power
to overcome the need for LC.... It will be done.......

[aRT13]

Wow, what a shame...

[cdmorenot]

wow, these are worthless now in my opinion.... even with awd. i think you're better off picking up a g37 and dumping a TT on it. just my 2

[aero]

Wow. More:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-a...-for-gt-r.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/n...rom-2010-gt-r/

"We await Nissan's revised performance numbers."

Jasper, what did you think it was capable of without LC, 0 to 60 in 4.0 s, 1/4 in ~12.2-12.3 s? That's still pretty incredible for a 3800 lb car. You and GZire have some gems. People are gonna be spending thousands just to achieve the performance you can get by pushing a couple buttons that came with the car!

[aero]

Actually, this is interesting, from corvetteforum of all places...

One GT-R owner over at USGTROC has made it his task to discover what the stock GT-R's capability is without LC.

Initially when attempting to run quarter mile times without LC he tried power braking and manual gearshift but the car would just bog down and produce 12.3s. Then he tried it without powerbraking and produced consistent 11.9s. Then he tried it with automatic gearchange and produced consistent 11.7s.

He must have noticed a pattern forming because he has just produced an 11.691 with car in a completely default setting. Basically, not adjusting any of the chassis or VDC settings, just staging and nailing the gas!

The manufacturer claim is 11.7!

Seems like fiddling with the controls actually slows the car down. Let the car handle everything and you'll match the manufacturer claim, WITHOUT launch control.

[GZire]

Originally Posted by aero

.........Jasper, what did you think it was capable of without LC, 0 to 60 in 4.0 s, 1/4 in ~12.2-12.3 s? That's still pretty incredible for a 3800 lb car. You and GZire have some gems. People are gonna be spending thousands just to achieve the performance you can get by pushing a couple buttons that came with the car!

Again, the car can most definitely be beaten by other cars in the 1/4 mile for far cheaper. I don't believe anyone is disputing that, I am certainly not.

However just remember the car is the sum of it's parts and is designed to be an all weather, all around car, with anyone. I believe that's basically what Nissan aimed for and I believe they achieved that.

While the power and straightline acceleration can be matched and beat without a major amount of effort, I feel the driver aids and chassis developement are items that cannot be so easily matched, even by other car manufacturers. The car is amazing at speed and feels planted like none other I've ever driven.

No BS, if I really wanted to build a 1/4 mile car, then I would have kept my G which was already TT'd. I did buy the car for the performance and exclusivity and haven't been disappointed. I also looked at getting a Z06 and a 911 Carrera & Cayman. I decided against the Porsches because their lack of room, but I loved everything else about them. I decided against the Z06 because I felt the GT-R was a better fit for me and haven't been disappointed.

I intend on keeping the GT-R for a long while and if my fortunes are good, I'd like to buy a Z06 somewhere down the line since I've loved Vettes since I was a kid. I have never knocked any other good performance car (well maybe Mustangs, but they aren't good ) and accept that they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. What makes me raise my eyebrows are that guys just start dissing on this car or that, but they don't own one and have never driven one.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by aero

Wow. More:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-a...-for-gt-r.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/n...rom-2010-gt-r/

"We await Nissan's revised performance numbers."

Jasper, what did you think it was capable of without LC, 0 to 60 in 4.0 s, 1/4 in ~12.2-12.3 s? That's still pretty incredible for a 3800 lb car. You and GZire have some gems. People are gonna be spending thousands just to achieve the performance you can get by pushing a couple buttons that came with the car!

because i went to the strip the first time, trying to power brake, i got 12.3's...

i went back a few weeks ago and did a lackluster 11.8 ( ). i was really excited, until i saw hybrid get a 11.691. f*cker.

without lc.

my most recent time was 0-60 in 3.7 secs (borrowed a g-tech). i'm working on it... straight lines are not that exciting.

[MIC]

At the bottom of the Autoblog link its "says no final decision has been made on the inclusion of launch control for 2010 GTR's." It also mentions Inside Line's story was pure speculation. This *update* on the story was done after Nissan contacted Autoblog about the story. In other words LC deletion has not been confirmed by Nissan yet.


I guess the 2009 GTR will be valuable to a car collector (not many) with uber amounts of money to blow. But, for some one looking in the used car market is not gonna want a used 2009 GTR.

Why? Because you can't tell how many times its been launched or if the warranty has already been voided by the previous owner. On top of that nobody has nailed down the number of launches it takes before damage to the tranny begins.

There are just too many variables when buying a 2009 GTR used. Most used car buyers are going to elect to buy a 2010 GTR over a 2009 GTR with a replaced tranny. Unless the previous owner can download information off of the ECU proving they never used LC. And good luck on getting access to that software.

So, if you plan on reselling your 2009 in the future. I wish the best for you. Cuz, if Nissan really gave up on the LC issue it only makes it worse for current owners.

[jaspergtr]

from this post, it appears you're not that familiar with the gt-r pos.

launch it... 50,000 times. if you think nothing broke (or just want to make sure everything is ok), take it to the dealer pay under $300, and have them adjust everything and make sure nothing is broke. if nothing broke, there is no warranty voided, because there is no claim, and obviously nothing broke while vdc was disengaged...

holy crap... i'm sure as hell not selling you mine.

(sorry if this appears rude - i'm tired of this speculation, rumors, and just plain false statements...)

[aero]

Originally Posted by GZire

Again, the car can most definitely be beaten by other cars in the 1/4 mile for far cheaper. I don't believe anyone is disputing that, I am certainly not.

You sound like you're getting frustrated? I'm just trying to find out what it's really capable of. Honestly, I think Nissan pulled some really shady ish here.

I guess the good news for you guys is that people like jasper and hybrid are coming pretty damn close to the claimed 1/4 time, so maybe LC isn't as relevant as most people think.

The one thing you've gotta give me is that at least I've owned multiple 400+ horsepower cars! Two of them man, I had an FI G too, 500+ bhp.

It's all relative, not hard for me to imagine that kind of power with AWD, and probably not hard for you guys to imagine it with RWD.