evo or sti

[StudlyMobile]

seen much written about both of these in comparison vs G. how do they rate aginst each other.

04 6mtC, DG - possibly most babied G on the board.

[youngjun91]

Really quick answer: The Evo is much more of a no compromise, tossable racer, with better handling and slightly less power. The STI is faster in a straight line, but loses to the Evo on the track, understeers, but may be more of a practical car for the streets overall. They are very similar in a lot of ways and most of the professional articles I've seen say that the Evo is better overall, but by an almost negligible margin.

[KAHBOOM]

I like the STI better (looks and performance wise) if only you could get it w/o the wing.

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[fdnytrucky]

Quick run down...

EVO has more "proven" MOds as the 4g63 has been around for a while. STi's EJ257 is a new engine and has not been tested to the limits. STi is faster straight line stock for stock drivers being equal. EVO handles better because it came as a more track prepared car, however with a few suspension mods the STi can be up there with the EVO or better. Overall they are very very close.

FWIW: I haev been hearing alot of problems with EVOs. Nothing glaring like the WRX's 5 speed tranny problems, but just alot of little stuff...which makes me ? the EVO fit and finish and reliability. The STi has a rock solid tranny (unlike WRX's), but if you pop the clutch instead of slipping it when you launch people have been breaking rear axles and diffs.

I Think it is more of a personal prefrence. IF you can handle the rugged non daily driving of the EVO great, the STi just has a few more "luxury" features that the EVO does not, and it is a bit softer of a ride.

Rick

That all being said, I am going from my modified WRX to a STi.

[misterpib]

neither of them make good track cars. not with out massive modifications.

[hueman]

^^^is that why evos and stis are listed as A stock in SCCA autocrossing? i guess cuz they're so crappy at the track?

and also,

the evo is actually faster 0-60 because it only needs 1 gear change; the sti needs 2.

as for what's better? i bought the evo because of its handling characteristics; power is easy to make on these two cars. handling, however, is trickier to tune appropriately.

stis/wrxs have been known to blow up trannys (not on a large scale, mind you--but noticeable) because their clutches are stronger than the evo's--thus, the load from launches directly impacts the tranny. the evo's clutch goes out in order to prevent the tranny from taking such loads; which is cheaper to fix?

[hueman]

In reply to:

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the STi just has a few more "luxury" features that the EVO does not, and it is a bit softer of a ride.

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well, the sti doesn't offer sunroof or leather. the evo is now offered with leather. the sti has an optional radio (this may have changed with the 2005 year)--while the evo's is standard. the sti is a better daily driver because its suspension is softer though--and the seats i believe are more comfy (though the evo's positioning is better). overall, you're simply not getting luxury from these cars.

[misterpib]

^^^is that why evos and stis are listed as A stock in SCCA autocrossing? i guess cuz they're so crappy at the track?


autocrossing in whimpy little shopping mall lots has nothing to do with how trackable a car is.

they are both waaaay too heavy, and too softly sprung to be anything but seriously ponderous.

[hueman]

how many cars do you track stock? several of the cars you listed in the other thread would still lose to the evo/sti stock for stock. if you're talking about mods, then yes i agree: you'll need to do a lot of work. there are few cars that are competitively trackable without mods for the 30k price range the evo/sti are in.

[misterpib]

my esprit does ok "stock".

[hueman]

i wasn't meaning "you" when i asked how many cars you track stock. i agree completely that your esprit is an awesome car--and kicks the [censored] out of a track.

a lot of cars in the 30k or less pricerange (new) will have mods if they get tracked competitively.

also, an e36 m3 weighs 13 pounds less than the evo/sti.

[misterpib]

no one in their right mind would ever track a new car. unless they had really rich parents.

[hueman]

also, the vishnu evo took 5th place overall of one lap of america and 1st place in class. a wrx took 6th overall.

the evo had about 15k in mods, and of course a full interior.

[hueman]

we could go on and on--you're not going to change your mind, i'm not going to change mine.

i don't know where you get off inferring that enthusiasts that track their new cars need to have rich parents--that by itself is ignorant and extremely shortsighted.

[Braunson]

Where do you get your info from. The EVO still holds better 0-60 times, better Quarter mile times and much better track times.
Motor Trend May 2004:

EVO 03: 0-60-4.6.
1/4 Mile: 13.1@105.1
Slalom: 71.4 miles per hour.
Braking: 106 ft.

STI 04: 0-60: 4.9
1/4 Mile: 13.2@104.6
Slalom: 69.1
Braking: 111 ft.

You only need first and second to get to sixty on the EVO"S. The STI needs three gears.
I know many people that have both cars and they say hands down the EVO is a better car. Just my .02's.