Look inside the new Camaro

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by 306HP

http://www.nissanusa.com/370z/#/features/2/

Here is one.

Then there is the 3.8l twin turbo v6 found in the GTR

Yes, GM is doing OK, but remember, the competition is not going to lie down, they will simply step up their game.

The 3.7L features a version of BMW's Double VANOS technology which is innovative...but BMW came up with it first (and they most likely got the idea from the original VTEC system introduced in the NSX). The rev matching in the manuals is neat, but not innovative in such a way where it's a game changer...hell...a Cobalt SS manual can be shifted without ever needing to take your foot off the gas, I wouldn't really call that innovative either.

Engine wise GM hasn't done much innovating but I still think the rheo magnetic shocks are awesome and leaps and bounds better than any adjustable suspension system on the market and turns would be track only cars like the ZR1 and CTS-V into cars you can drive everyday, hell when Jeremy Clarkson takes an American car and rants and raves about how amazing the suspension works...you know it's worth something lol.

The 3.8L TT in the GTR is high tech but I wouldn't really call it innovative. It's a hell of a motor though. I was never saying that the Japanese haven't done anything cool, just that in terms of performance innovations, they've remained competitive but haven't done anything to revolutionize the way we drive.

Either way, let the innovation race continue. In the end it doesn't matter which country comes out with the next big innovation (since I'm American...I'd like it to be developed by an American engineer preferribly) but in the end we all win out.

[GJBenn85]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

lol right. I can't even think of the last innovative thing the Japs have come up with in recent years. Plus the upcoming Ford V8 looks to be very, very advanced getting the gas mileage of a diesel engine.

Most folks on this board are probably completely unfamilar with GM's rheo magnetic shocks (Ferrari buys them from GM to use on some of their cars).

The Japanese are conservative, they worry about what works rather than trying to revolutionize the auto industry with new technology. New technology creates headaches, as is proven by the Europeans time and time again.

Still, American manufacturers are some of the last to integrate existing technology that has been available for years on foreign cars. Every foreign luxury manufacturer now uses keyless ignitions yet only a handful of America's "premium" cars have the same feature. Hell, even Sentras have the Intelligent Key these days.

[Jeff92se]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

lol right. I can't even think of the last innovative thing the Japs have come up with in recent years. Plus the upcoming Ford V8 looks to be very, very advanced getting the gas mileage of a diesel engine.

Most folks on this board are probably completely unfamilar with GM's rheo magnetic shocks (Ferrari buys them from GM to use on some of their cars).

Honda was the 1st to come out with varible lift cam tech in a mass produced car. The Japanese were also the 1st to bring hybrids on a mass produced level. The Japanese were casting very clean and efficent heads when the Americans were still struggling with how to pass emissions.

There are many innovating inventions in the auto world. But the Japanese seem to introduce them in successful sales manner also.

[306HP]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

The 3.7L features a version of BMW's Double VANOS technology which is innovative

LOL, I dont want to lie to you man, I had to google that "double vanos technology". I had no idea what it was.

I agree, it does not matter where the innovation comes from.

However, I am 100% sold on Japanese technology. The posts above mine echo my sentiments as well. BTW, Toyota has the 1st solar powered air conditioners in the Prius.

On another note, I am happy to see where GM is going but I wish they would have come up with a serious contender for the Camry or the Civic. Instead they went all out on the Camaro, a Mustang competitor. They are not going to create the sales revenue needed to turn a profit from the Camaro. However, they do have nice products out there and with time and dedication, they could do well.

[GeeWillikers]

Looks good, but to me, sitting inside of it was like sitting in a cave. Visibility out SUCKS IMO, and the C-Pillar creates a huge blind spot.

Love the chop top look, but don't care for the execution as an operator.

For me, it's like a chopper. I love looking at them, but after about 30 minutes of riding one, I'm ready to park the bitch - the thrill isn't worth the pain.

Don't know if anyone saw it, but the Camaro SS got beaten by the underpowered Mustang GT in C&D this month. All that horsepower but no real UMPH to show for it.

[Beebo]

I hate the interior

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by 306HP

LOL, I dont want to lie to you man, I had to google that "double vanos technology". I had no idea what it was.

I agree, it does not matter where the innovation comes from.

However, I am 100% sold on Japanese technology. The posts above mine echo my sentiments as well. BTW, Toyota has the 1st solar powered air conditioners in the Prius.

On another note, I am happy to see where GM is going but I wish they would have come up with a serious contender for the Camry or the Civic. Instead they went all out on the Camaro, a Mustang competitor. They are not going to create the sales revenue needed to turn a profit from the Camaro. However, they do have nice products out there and with time and dedication, they could do well.

lol no worries, I don't even know what warped acronym Infiniti gives for its version.

GM has some cars coming up to try to compete with the Civic hopefully they're worth a damn. Compared to the Cobalt, GM has no where to go but up.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by GeeWillikers

Looks good, but to me, sitting inside of it was like sitting in a cave. Visibility out SUCKS IMO, and the C-Pillar creates a huge blind spot.

Love the chop top look, but don't care for the execution as an operator.

For me, it's like a chopper. I love looking at them, but after about 30 minutes of riding one, I'm ready to park the bitch - the thrill isn't worth the pain.

Don't know if anyone saw it, but the Camaro SS got beaten by the underpowered Mustang GT in C&D this month. All that horsepower but no real UMPH to show for it.

Yeah the Mustang has the weight advantage. As for visibility...you see the side mirrors on that thing? I mean they look cool and all but damn...

[GeeWillikers]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Yeah the Mustang has the weight advantage. As for visibility...you see the side mirrors on that thing? I mean they look cool and all but damn...

300 pounds lighter, but the Camaro has over 100 HP on the 'Stang.

Cripes.

[seymore4]

Not feeling the tail lights....

[cyco]

Originally Posted by GeeWillikers

Don't know if anyone saw it, but the Camaro SS got beaten by the underpowered Mustang GT in C&D this month. All that horsepower but no real UMPH to show for it.

Mustang wins in C&D, but the Camaro wins in MT: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._gt/index.html

Either way, I think both are great cars. But I'd wait until the 5.0 comes out for the GT before pulling the trigger on either of them.

[306HP]

Look at the conclusion in MT, makes a whole lot of sense to me. I have no horses in this race and wouldnt want to anyway but I agree more with MT than CD on this one. Well I am the classic CD hater anyways. I would pick the Camaro over the Stang anyday, if i want handling I will get an Evo.

Did you guys see the economy car comparison CD did, they had the Rabbit winning for "driving dynamics" yet it had one of the worst mpgs, and I believe is pretty expensive in that category. Came ahead of the Corrollas & Civics. For fvcks sake, what the hell does "driving dynamics" have to do with "economy cars". What world do these retards come from.

Well, clearly I am a CD hater (good thing is I dont buy their magazines).

Anyway Camaro is kicking ***, the Challenger is another classic example of a waste of ponies (Same as the 09 TL). It will have a tough time with the G37 at least to 60mph. Its a freaking V8!!!!! Ford and GM will be ok, Chrysler cannot survive with the line up they have.

[fecurtis]

Actually you guys are wrong about the results of the C&D comparo. The Mustang was about to win but as the editors and testers were leaving after a long day of track testing, they found a 1995 BMW 325i being jump started at the parking lot across the street, it also had a spare tire on.

That car got the victory.

[jibberjabbers]

Originally Posted by 306HP

Once the Japanese see this new trend as being a threat, they will simply step up their game and it will be lights out for GM again. Lexus/Infiniti know how to craft interiors, the former uses 1st rate materials and the latter knows interior layout very well. The only people who will be left out will the the Germans, in a bid to save costs (given their cars are already expensive to make) they tend to cut corners in the interiors. The coming years will be fun, GM will be competing heavily in the luxury space, the Japanese with their cost advantages will not be far behind, and the Germans, mark my words on this, will be increasing the prices of their offerings. Got to love competiton.

Lexus and Acura do have nice interior. The G35 interior isn't all that impressive. Looks pretty bland. The G37 interior is a step up.

[306HP]

Originally Posted by jibberjabbers

Lexus and Acura do have nice interior. The G35 interior isn't all that impressive. Looks pretty bland. The G37 interior is a step up.

You must be from CD right, LOL. The 306HP G35 has the same interior as the G37. Before some wise *** decides to correct me, I will have to add "except for the heated seat switches". I hope for my sake I didn't leave anything