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06-21-2008, 04:44 PM
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Recycling+Ethanol+global warming nuts = global destruction
Recycling is bad for the environment, especially paper:
* not environmentally viable - The majority (+75%) of new pulp that goes into paper manufacturing comes from tree farms. The tree farmers adjust the size of their crop based on the demand from the previous season. When we inject recylced pulp into the cycle, we reduce the demand and thus the size of the tree crop. If the demand for new pulp is beyond the projected size of the crop, the gov't will subsidize more land and money for the farmer to plant even more trees. The process to remake the old paper into new paper utilizes toxic bleaches and other chemicals which end-up in the dump. *not energy efficient - it takes 50 times or more energy to recycle paper, than it does to just throw it away. The sorting machines, electricity for the entire facitlity and the vehicles that have to pick up the recylcing bins from everyone's house, which also pollute more than any other vehicle on the road, all use gas or electricity. *not economically viable - the gov't spends upwars of $80 billion a year on these recycling centers, and the only money we ever see back from that is from the cans we bring in, a whopping 5 cents each. Cans, by the way, are the only recyclable material that actually costs less to remake into new items. *not landfill friendly - the U.S. could fit enough trash for the next 1,000 years in a square 35 mile area, rising no more than 200 feet. it could be in the middle of the desert, and nobody would ever have to see it. When properly utilized, the methane gas from a landfill dump can be used to power millions of homes, as is done at the largest dump in the U.S. just outside of L.A., which is also deemed a natural wildlife reserve; Dirt is piled over the compost and becomes a fertilizer, giving life to new trees. Dumps are built using 3 ft of impermeable clay as well as layers of limestone and other minerals.. as well, most dumps also have a 2 inch rubber diaper that is installed directly below the first layer. When dirt is eventually placed over the garbage, the methane release and decomp below provide excellent fertilization for trees and some dumps are designated wildlife reserves. *CANS - cans were the ONLY recyclable we found that beat the cost/benefit analysis. It costs less to remake old cans into new ones, and it's the only recycleable that pays back some of the $8 billion the gov't stole from us to commit this atrocity. Please stop being fooled, recycling started in the 80's when an EPA asst. director put out an insanely inaccurate memo, claiming that we are running out of landfill space. It was entirely untrue, but it spawned an 80 billion dollar budget that simply causes more environmental destruction. When "Waste Management" claims that they saved "40 Million trees", what that actually means is that they prevented the planting of 40 million new trees, by reducing demand for new pulp. I am concerned about our Earth, but concern is just the first step, we need more understanding; by far the most disturbing part of this whole debacle, is the sheer number of people who think they are helping, when they are actually hurting. Corn-based Ethanol is bad: In 2007, 115 US plants produced 7 billion gallons of Corn Ethanol - the energy equivalent of 132 million barrels of oil using about 15% of corn production. While this sounds large, it is tiny in the context of the US economy. This is equal to only 1.6% of the energy from from oil in 2007 used in the US. But the situation is worse than this because it takes 1 unit of fossil fuel to produce 1.3 units of corn ethanol. The net energy produced was only 0.5% of the energy from from oil - while consuming 15% of the US corn crop! Now, since corn is generating the greatest profit, because we are now using food to generate fuel, farmers are converting wheat crops to corn, and we have had to import wheat for the first time since 1780. Also, it has caused food prices to shoot through the roof. It has also not had ANY effect on the price of foriegn-obtained, or domestically refined oil. In fact, according to the numbers, it has had an adverse effect, if any. Oil and gas continue to fluxuate, oil has actually hit it's highest price ever, since the start of ethanol production. When will these tree-hugging liberals wake-up and listen to the scientists and experts who know what they're talking about. these extremists are blinded by their political motivations, and they will end-up starving people who can't afford to double their grocery bill. We are burning food to make an inefficiant fuel, while we are at the same time, shorting the third-world countries who rely on our surplus of wheat and corn for humanitarian aid, seems so charitable. meanwhile a liberal drives down the highway in a ford flexfuel SUV on a full tank of corn that could have fed someone in Darfur. The saddest part about this scenario, is that person thinks they're HELPING the planet. Global Warming is not real: Temperatures have increased by about 0.5° C over the last 100 years. Most of these increases occurred in the first 50 years of this time period. Carbon dioxide (CO2) has also increased over the last 100 years-- from about 300 ppm to 370 ppm. Interestingly, the majority of these additions have occurred in the last 50 years, when temperature increases have been slowest. Independent data from orbiting satelites have been continuosly measuring global temperatures since the 1970's and indicate that over the last 25 years there has actually been a slight decrease in overall global temperatures. Assuming that at least part of the CO2 additions in the last 50 years is anthropogenic (man-made), the likely scenario is (at the level of additions involved) that CO2 concentrations in our atmosphere are an effect of temperature-- not the other way around. The perturbation of CO2 equilibrium has not had the proportional effect on temperature that greenhouse activists predict. Oops i guess humans aren't warming the Earth, rather the Earth is doing what it's done for the past 4.5 billion years, fluxuate temperature and climate. 70 parts per million increased CO2, and .5 degrees celcius and we would have a big enough ego to think that we caused it? References: Historical Isotopic Temperature Record from the Vostok Ice Core The data available from CDIAC represent a major effort by researchers from France, Russia, and the U.S.A. 1) Vostok ice core: a continuous isotope temperature record over the last climatic cycle (160,00 years). Jouzel, J., C. Lorius, J.R. Petit, C. Genthon, N.I. Barkov, V.M. Kotlyakov, and V.M. Petrov. 1987. Nature 329:403-8. 2) Extending the Vostok ice-core record of palaeoclimate to the penultimate glacial period. Jouzel, J., N.I. Barkov, J.M. Barnola, M. Bender, J. Chappellaz, C. Genthon, V.M. Kotlyakov, V. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, J.R. Petit, D. Raynaud, G. Raisbeck, C. Ritz, T. Sowers, M. Stievenard, F. Yiou, and P. Yiou. 1993. Nature 364:407-12. 3) Climatic interpretation of the recently extended Vostok ice records. Jouzel, J., C. Waelbroeck, B. Malaize, M. Bender, J.R. Petit, M. Stievenard, N.I. Barkov, J.M. Barnola, T. King, V.M. Kotlyakov, V. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, D. Raynaud, C. Ritz, and T. Sowers. 1996. Climate Dynamics 12:513-521. 4) Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica. Petit, J.R., J. Jouzel, D. Raynaud, N.I. Barkov, J.-M. Barnola, I. Basile, M. Bender, J. Chappellaz, M. Davis, G. Delayque, M. Delmotte, V.M. Kotlyakov, M. Legrand, V.Y. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, L. Pepin, C. Ritz, E. Saltzman, and M. Stievenard. 1999. Nature 399: 429-436. NOTE: All charts were plotted directly from composite data sets using Lotus 1-2-3. CO2 Graph Sources: Temperature Graph Sources: 2001-1958: South Pole Air Flask Data 1958-1220 B.P.: Law Dome, Antarctica 1220 B.P.- 2302 B.P.: Taylor Dome, Antarctica 2302 B.P.- 414k B.P.: Vostok Ice Core Data 2000-1979: Satellite stratospheric data 1979-1871: S. Hemisphere ground temp. data 1871- 422k B.P.: Vostok Ice Core Data  
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06-21-2008, 10:11 PM
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hard to say, there have been a few TV specials about the recycling issue, one of them being Penn & Tellers Bullsh1t! on showtime... also Clemson university did a study and found the same results....
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06-22-2008, 02:46 AM
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You are correct, some recycling is actually not worth it.
Still no excuse for you to pollute.
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06-22-2008, 09:17 PM
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my sister would slap you! but she's too busy hugging trees to realize that she is causing more harm to the environment.
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06-22-2008, 09:18 PM
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ur2ez - i've seen this somewhere before... it's the beginning of the perfect smug storm.
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06-23-2008, 11:17 AM
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This morning as i was preparing for the day i started to thing about recycling. What really needs to be done is curb usage. People feel that they can use more, if not the same amount of resources, because they will "recycle" them, which is similar to them never using them in the first place.
It is more beneficial to never had used all the unneeded paper in the first place, than to use more and more paper to just recycle and use more than was needed in the first place. A similar thing can be said about gasoline/transportation. We are looking at methods to allow us to continue traveling and using the same amount of resources instead of finding a way to cut back. On the news you see stories about gas consumption being cut back like it is a bad thing.
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06-23-2008, 11:03 PM
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i agree cutting back would be a great thing.... recycling is just using up so much energy and resources, ilt's really disturbing to see our planet be destroyed
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06-23-2008, 11:13 PM
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Ethanol as an alternative fuel pisses me off so much. If anyone I knew or loved were starving as a result, I'd do a lot more than write about how it pisses me off on an online message board. Regardless, something needs to be done about it. I think it's rather telling that neither Obama nor McCain has pointed towards ethanol as a viable solution.
I did read today that McCain was still pushing for electric cars (albeit more efficient electric cars), but I think that is stupid - where do you think the electricity comes from!? A coal-burning power plant.
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06-23-2008, 11:37 PM
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^ agreed... except i think it would make sense if we could create a battery with the equivalent of 500hp that gives me a 500 mile range, charged by nuclear power.
(i think i mentioned a similar post on a different thread, but i guess it applies here as well)
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06-24-2008, 12:56 AM
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haha, a bunch of mini nukes driving around on the street.... i for one am all for nuclear power, i've seen the penn & teller bull****, i know nuclear power is clean, safe and extremely efficient... there was not even a single injury in the whole 3 mile island incident... and Chernobyl, well their reactor was a piece of sh!t even by 1970 standards.... Norway and sweden have been on nuclear for decades and they safely store their stuff underground, they got rich from exporting oil b.c they drill where they can and export that sh!t. the samn hippies are both preventing us from drilling and using nuclear....
you should see the canisters they store the nuclear waste in, they're everything proof for like a million years. anyway, nuclear cars sounds okay to me, better than hydrogen, i'd rather have a bunch of mini nukes than a bunch of mini-hindenburgs driving around
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09-22-2008, 01:52 AM
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^^^+1 agreed
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09-22-2008, 12:54 PM
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Everyone knows corn based ethanol isn't the most efficent way of producing it.
Is that a reason to dismiss the technology all together? No. Example: How many MPG did the 1st cars get? How clean did they run? How expensive where they accounting for "then" dollars? Dismissing a promising technology just because it's in it's infancy is neither smart or a logical point of debate.
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