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07-16-2008, 03:19 AM
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T Boone Pickens
I was watching Faux News the other day and a bunch of right wing political pundits were praising Mr. Pickens for his views, and I'm sitting here scratching my head trying to figure out how these guys come up with their reasoning. Seriously, everything Mr. Pickens is suggesting has been bashed in some way or another by faux news, I know if Al Gore ran the same commercial they would have found something wrong with his views. I guess a republican has to jump on board before the faux news right wing robots start to line up rank and file.
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07-16-2008, 03:44 AM
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The Pickens Plan is really just a way for him to cement his legacy as an energy tycoon. Whatever. As long as his company doesn't price gouge on "free" energy.
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07-16-2008, 04:19 AM
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I guess, I won't hold my breath though
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07-16-2008, 12:25 PM
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i hate right wingers that want alternative energy plans now... we should wait until 2030. and just subsidize with another round of rebate checks for the short term solution.
nuclear power - no solar power - no hydro power - no drilling domestically - no blame current administration - yes i'm behind obama 100% on this.
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07-16-2008, 03:02 PM
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I'll elaborate more on my statement.
His motivation is to capitalize on the current hatred for foreign energy dependency. He owns plenty of natural gas resources. He knows that there is more money in redirecting CNG resources from electric to vehicles, so he wants to put up wind turbines and make that shift. Don't be surprised if you see another Enron fiasco from this guy. "Oh, we can't get enough CNG to meet demand; we need to raise prices" when indeed, they're "hiding" stock. This, my friends, is why deregulation of necessary commodities is a bad thing.
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07-16-2008, 10:16 PM
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It's no to all of this because of the tree huggers that say... We have no place to put the nuclear waste. We can't put up acres of solar panels because it'll affect the natural beauty of nature We can't dam up rivers for hydro power because that will flood the land upstream and drive out the wildlife, and shrink the river downstream and kill the fish. We can't drill in the alaskan mountain because it'll damage the environment and kill the wildlife. But then again, if it wern't for the tree huggers, America would turn into a China or India with respect to environmental responsibility. And why is it that ppl are so quick to claim that Pickens is promoting all of this just for his own self? Just because you hear "big oil" doesn't mean that its all about greed and money. I hate politics because 99% of the people are soooooo one sided, and neither side are capable of understanding the views of the other side.
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07-17-2008, 02:46 AM
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^ I agree, the only way we as a nation are going to grow beyond all of our present obstacles is if we make compromises, no one is right 100% of the time but everyone does have some valid points. We need to stop demonizing people who are trying to get us out of this energy crisis and try to find common ground.
My only beef is when you've got pundits on news organizations such as Fox that completely bash an idea from the left but embrace the same idea when it comes from the right. This sort of back and forth nonsensical partisanship without a common sense approach to real problems is what is sending America down the drain right now. The truth is we must move on from oil, we gave it a good run but its hurting us right now financially and environmentally. However we still need oil to run our country but we should get over this notion that if we drill we would have cheap gas again, WE WILL NEVER EVER HAVE CHEAP GAS EVER!!! Weening ourselves off of oil will be painful in the short term but will allow us to grow in the future. If Republicans believe that they can provide us with oil to help us make the transition to something else fine but we have got to move on or God help us as a nation.
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07-17-2008, 11:16 AM
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i think the difference you see is not from left or right...
it's just that most democratic platforms suggest policies, but have no real definition: 'we need to move from oil dependence and change the manufacturing standards of automobiles, and begin to reduce energy dependence by 2030.' (well no $hit!) as opposed to republican platforms: 'let's drill for oil now, and simultaneously explore alternative sources of fuel, and begin to reduce dependence on foreign oil now.' the second part of that is the same rubbish of the entire democratic platform... it means nothing. ideas are good. plans are better. oil dropped over $10 a barrel yesterday. the consumer can change the price of oil. pres bush already lifted his ban on drilling on the continental shelf. if the democratic congress does the same, it should drop another $10 or $20, just at the mere mention. the worst thing that could happen is that the price of oil comes down to $1/gal, because all of this will stop, and we will be forced into this position again (but it will be much worse).
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07-17-2008, 12:02 PM
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No. Sound government leadership develops strategic policies that is then pushed down to the private sector to implement. Encouragement can be given through government subsidies and other financial incentives. Drilling for more oil and opening up Federal land for possible destruction serves no strategic policy except for the ones that the oil/gas lobbyists have written up for our politicians to follow. Politicians make policy, it is why they are called politicians. They don't need to be oil experts to push for specific actions. This is where the private sector comes in to propose their plans and for the government to approve. You seem to forget the function of our Federal government. For you to make base assumptions regarding oil prices is ludicrous. If what you say is true, go leverage your entire life savings shorting oil and put your cash where your mouth is. For you to make such a general statement with absolutely no knowledge of the hundreds/thousands of domestic and international factors that play into this is pure hubris.
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07-17-2008, 12:10 PM
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well, for starters, you disqualified my entire premise right there.  so we'd be destroying the ocean by drilling in it? and gas didn't go down $10 a barrel? i know, it was actually more like $13-14. i use round numbers for ease of discussion (kind of like movie clips for guns , they never reload ).
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07-17-2008, 12:41 PM
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It can also drop by 50% if speculators are regulated Quote:
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07-17-2008, 12:46 PM
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but those lands that are leased are not being wasted... a lot of those lands don't have any more oil... but are still under lease, which is driving the cost up further. unless you think that oil companies are paying for lands that have oil, and just like to not make money anymore. agreed about the speculator regulation (i believe this to be a large part of the problem). and agreed that if the alternative sources drove the cost down, we've acheived something great. this is the result we all want, isn't it?
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07-17-2008, 02:53 PM
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My point being, it doesn't matter where they drill, it benefits the oil companies a lot more than it benefits Joe American. Back to Pickens. There's nothing wrong with trying to bank on alternative energy. It's the capitalist way. However, we can't allow history to repeat itself and face a CNG crisis later in life. In the late 80's early 90's, there was a big push for car manufacturers to release cars with a fuel efficiency of 40mpg. It was killed by the auto and oil lobby. Imagine...20 years of cars that got 40mpg or more. Nearly all of the republicans on this forum will blast President Carter, calling him a waste and a good for nothing; yet here we are talking about the same principles of Carter's energy policies (wind, solar, and independence from foreign oil). How about that? 30 years missed of independence from foreign oil. I can only imagine where we would be right now.
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