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07-28-2008, 12:52 PM
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confused about new york times' morals
i've recently come across a copy of the new york times at a class i'm currently teaching.
there is a picture of some mortally wounded service members. obviously the nyt does have a liberal bias, and is anti-military. but i was also sparked by a student who had mentioned that he had heard a conservative talk show host ask her audience,'how many pictures of dismembered soldiers and marines does the new york times think it will have to post before people will change their minds about military success?' the talk show host then asked,'why don't they post picures of the 3 million+ partial birth abortions instead? because that would seem too judgemental about the choices of women, and it would be too insensitive. but it seems ok to post pictures of military wounded, because it's ok to not be respectful of the fallen service members and their families and to print pictures before the families were notified... (etc...) there are so many things wrong with the media. ... freedom of speech... it doesn't make you any more informed, it makes you more easily manipulated into thinking it is the truth.
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07-28-2008, 02:01 PM
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07-28-2008, 02:07 PM
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07-28-2008, 02:09 PM
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what happened to respect for the fallen, and respect for their families, and waiting for them to be notified first, and not having them re-live this tragedy?
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07-28-2008, 02:33 PM
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The photos show the true cost of war and how it should be every American's duty to learn and educate themselves in what our nation's leaders deem "acceptable risk" when determining foreign policy decisions that affect the lives of Americans.
Your assertion that the NYT is anti-military or anti-Iraq because they showed photos of wounded/dead servicemen is simply an exercise of manipulation by the right wing media to make you see what you already have decided to subscribe to as a left wing media conspiracy. Would Vietnam be Vietnam if the American people never saw what was going on there? How American kids fresh out of highschool were being put through the meat grinder for what reason? The French gave up and handed the mess to the Americans and for 20 years we stayed there thinking this was a mission to hedge the Soviets when in reality, it was a war of independence for the Vietnamese. Our leaders misjudged the military strategy as well as the political strategy and it cost us over 50,000 lives with tens of thousands of veterans that have been left on the wayside for their service to our country. Now we are in another mess with a similar situation and our leaders want to stay and "work it out" with the Iraqis? With the volatile mix of sectarian violence and all that American money being funneled into arming them to the teeth, do we expect any other conclusion other than civil war when we leave? Isn't this what we saw in Vietnam? With Iran right next door, do we even ask if? I would suggest that it is just a matter of when.
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07-28-2008, 02:41 PM
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Why not? It's a very REAL part of what is going on over there. Maybe they cover it because the conservative media outlets WON'T.
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07-28-2008, 02:48 PM
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I don't know that I disagree with showing the effects of war. It's reality. I suppose we could continue to publish half-truths in realtion to the casualties occurring as a result of the war, but to me, the truth is in the images. You can't "spin" a guy missing his legs. (actually you can, but I'll leave that joke to someone else.)
It'll definitely remind people that the war is more than that forgotten "support the troops" ribbon magnet on the back the car.
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07-28-2008, 03:03 PM
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respect for the dead. respect for the living mourning the dead. there is no need to re-live tragedies. i don't need a liberal or conservative media outlet to explain with pictures that war is ugly. and certainly the families don't need to discover their son's death from a headline.
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07-28-2008, 03:07 PM
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07-28-2008, 03:09 PM
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How long do you want them to stay? Quote:
I have no idea what the business decisions behind what major movie maker are in the regards to what to show in their backgrounds. res Quote:
So to "respect" the dead, you don't acknowlege them, supress the pictures and act like they didn't exist? Sounds like DISRESPECT to me. Quote:
YOu don't think the families aren't informed of the dead BEFORE the pictures show up? I don't think so. You KNOW the war is ugly. But it appears you don't want to SEE how ugly it can get. Want to discuss the war? Fine. Make sure ALL aspects of it are discussed. Not just the aspects YOU want to discuss.
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07-28-2008, 03:17 PM
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so not posting a a video of a body being dragged through town is disrespect?
how many other murders are reported with the dead bodies, uncovered and dismembered? then why are there closed casket funerals? open that b*tch up and take a look at the hole in the dudes face. let's see the picture of that baby in texas when the mother literally ripped off her arms of her 4 month old daughter. lets see it. lets not stop here... and if this is the path that we are on to express through pictures, then why don't we display those millions of babies that were ripped apart after the fetus already had a heartbeat. let's see those pictures too. let's see how ugly it can get.
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07-28-2008, 03:23 PM
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i can certainly respect the fallen service members without a picture of his dismembered body on his coffin with the flag draped over it. Quote:
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i'm going to assume that you didn't mean 'me', personally, but rather people in general. Quote:
so you agree that these pictures should have been released?
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07-28-2008, 03:24 PM
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I've seen footage of that. But you DO know that's a different subject right? Terrorists are DELIBERATELY disrespecting an USA soldier on purpose. It's not the media that's doing the disrespecting to that serviceman. Quote:
Now what are you talking about? These are casualities of war we are talking about. How off topic do you want to get in order to make you line of reasoning work?
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07-28-2008, 03:30 PM
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people need death and tragedy. it sells. (anybody see untraceable? - didn't like the movie (too predictable), but interesting viewpoint)
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