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08-01-2008, 10:21 PM

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Republicans in Congress have been pressing the lower House's Democrat leadership to consider realistic solutions to the energy crunch to no avail for weeks now.

50-mile-or-more offshore drilling? Off the table. Using a fraction of ANWR to provide America with years' worth of fuel? Also off the table. Nuclear energy? Waaaay off the table. About the only thing Speaker Pelosi and her band of merry men have allowed even to grace the table's presence is a "use it or lose it" legislative demand that oil companies drill on land they already own, which isn't currently being drilled because it doesn't have any oil under it. Now that's a good way to help folks like you and me pay less at the pump.

With Congress due to take a monthlong recess beginning this weekend, the House Republican leadership decided to make energy solutions -- with an emphasis on the solutions -- their first and only priority this week.

Further, putting their money (or, more correctly, their vacation time) where their mouths were, Republicans decided to do everything they could to keep the House in session past this week and into the August recess, until such a time as the energy situation had been, in some way, dealt with.

Needless to say, House Democrats, far more inclined to continue blaming the Bush administration for high gas prices while doing everything in their power to block legislation that would affect them in any meaningful way, weren't in favor of the plan.

This afternoon, a roll-call vote was held to adjourn for the August recess. With nothing whatsoever having been done to actually help lessen the toll being taken on the American people by towering energy prices, the Republicans united to oppose this move by Democrats to reward themselves with a paid vacation (at taxpayer expense, of course) that would enable them to leave town while leaving their constituents in such a bind.

The motion to adjourn passed, 213-212, with 17 Democrats joining the House GOP in opposing Congress' being rewarded for abdicating their responsibilities and refusing to do their jobs.

One vote was the difference between Congress staying late to actually do their jobs, and taking off for a month of paid vacation having done absolutely zero to deregulate the price of gas down from its current state.
One single vote.

With a margin of one, there are 223 Congresspersons who effectively cast the deciding vote to leave America in the lurch while they took a paid vacation.

Quoth Roll Call($):

House Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam (Fla.) said Democrats who voted to adjourn “should be held in contempt for voting to skip town without dealing with America’s energy crisis.”

Instead, Putnam said, they should “put their boarding passes back in their pockets and get to work” by taking up the GOP energy package that includes, among other provisions, offshore and Arctic drilling in the mix of solutions to growing gas costs.

213 voted to leave; 10 -- including four Republicans (one of whom was, I am sad to say, House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO)) -- took an even lower road by refusing to vote at all.

When you're paying your $4 per gallon at the pump this November, just remember the 219 Democrats and 4 Republicans who either voted for that early paid vacation, or cast de facto votes for it by not voting at all, while the price of gas was nigh unaffordable thanks to their regulatory actions.

we all know that the democrats decided to go on vacation because they are tired of listening to republicans. let's face it, that 14% approval rating is going to skyrocket, once the public realizes that the democrats didn't even want to vote on lifting the ban to even allow the individual states to explore off-shore drilling... i mean why shouldn't citizens of north carolina be able to say 'no' to drilling in florida, despite the fact that 60% of floridians want to drill. what do they know? they are just a bunch of tourists, snow birds, and people who don't know how to punch a hole in a card. i'm glad the congress has figured out a solution that's best for the people... speaker pelosi is doing all she can with the majority democrats. it's those republicans, and all of their so-called 'solutions'. it's about time that congress reacts to the people and does nothing while this economical situation continues.

i, for one, support the democrats. anybody else?

(where's my obama flag?)

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08-02-2008, 02:11 AM

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I'm going to follow "The One" to the ends of the earth as he "stops the waters from advancing" and quells the fears in our hearts!

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08-02-2008, 07:29 AM

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I'm going to follow "The One" to the ends of the earth as he "stops the waters from advancing" and quells the fears in our hearts!

this is the moment we've all been waiting for... join with us, as we change this great nation!!!

i type this as citizen of the world, not as a g owner.

i like him because he doesn't look like the other presidents on a dollar bill.

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08-02-2008, 10:28 AM

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The Republican congress is who sat back and laughed as they laid the ground work to pad their pockets. Once they passed all the crap legislature to offer tax breaks to the rich and big oil, the dems get voted into power and now its their fault?

Ignorance is bliss...

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08-02-2008, 01:26 PM

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You got the ignorance part correct. Please show me how the Republican congress has "pad their pockets". Name those who've made money off of high oil prices. Please, go ahead. The rich should get big tax breaks b'c they pay the most tax. The poor, don't pay taxes at all. And if "big oil" is so bad, then please, feel free to walk. "Big Oil" has an measly 8% profit margin. Meaning, for every dollar they spend, they get .08cents profit back. You're complaining about that? Microsoft's margin are 29%. Lets hear you complain about "Big Software"....

Ignorance is indeed bliss...

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Hmmm...I could be wrong, because while I usually check political facts this would take too long: But am guessing that an analysis of political donors for Republicans would highlight a fair number of oil-related donors...

Regarding profit margins, you're exactly correct - ExxonMobil, for example, "only" had 8% profit margins as they recorded the largest quarterly profit for any company is US history. Net income of $11.68 billion on revenue of $138 billion in the second quarter, to be exact. So it's sorta hard to feel bad for them. Enjoy: http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/31/news...fits/index.htm

And for the OP, yes, I agree. The offshore drilling commentary is yet another piece of blatant political pandering. For example (I took the political commentary out of the quote):

The Energy Information Administration says that even if both coasts were opened, prices would not begin to drop until 2030.

Separate studies by the House Committee on Natural Resources and the Wilderness Society, a conservation group, show that roughly three-quarters of the 90 million-plus acres of federal land being leased by the oil companies onshore and off are not being used to produce energy. That is 68 million acres altogether, among them potentially highly productive leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska.

When the oil production companies start drilling on more of their current leases (and please don't tell me they wouldn't be profitable at current oil prices), maybe we'll talk about more drilling leases...

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08-03-2008, 02:22 AM

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Commie tactics, Stalin would be proud :lol

Republicans want lower fuel prices, Democrats run away for vacation, priceless, :lol

Democrats Vote for Vacation, Ignore Gas Price Relief

Last update: 4:20 p.m. EDT July 30, 2008
WASHINGTON, July 30, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) issued the following statement after 17 Democrats stood with every single Republican present to stop the Democratic leadership from adjourning Congress for a five-week vacation without taking up legislation to help American families struggling under the weight of record-high gas prices:
"While American families can't afford to go on their summer vacations because of $4 gas, the Democrats controlling Congress didn't think twice about going on theirs. The rest of us will be forced to sit at home watching our nation's economy suffer because of Democrats' adamant refusal to allow a vote on commonsense, bipartisan legislation to lower the price of gas.
"Republicans have offered bill after bill -- most recently the American Energy Act -- to expand the supply of American-made energy, encourage conservation and break our dangerous and costly dependence on foreign oil. Democrats have failed to address this issue and have even gone as far as to ask OPEC nations to pump more oil for us to buy with American dollars -- all despite recent polls showing that more than two-thirds of Americans believe our nation should produce its own abundant reserves of energy.
"I think it says an awful lot that 17 members of the Democratic caucus felt guilty enough about their leadership's performance on energy this week to vote against going home for the summer. I only wish there were 215 more Democrats in this chamber that were as brutally honest as this bunch -- and as rightfully ashamed."
SOURCE House Republican Whip Roy Blunt

Copyright (C) 2008 PR Newswire. All rights reserved End of Story

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...B%7D&dist=hppr

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House Dems turn out the lights but GOP keeps talking

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House, turned off the lights and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m., and they are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess.

At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark. But as Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz..) was speaking, the lights went back on and the microphones were turned on shortly afterward.

But C-SPAN, which has no control over the cameras in the chamber, has stopped broadcasting the House floor, meaning no one was witnessing this except the assembled Republicans, their aides, and one Democrat, Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), who has now left.

Only about a half-dozen Republicans were on the floor when this began, but the crowd has grown to about 20, according to Patrick O'Connor.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry...g.html?showall

Join the fight!!! Dems use commie tactics to shut down debate!!!

Republicans want the US to be independent in oil drilling!!! Hoooorahhhh!!

Finally they fight back.!!!

Just in:

Obama flip flops on oil drilling!!!

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Obama would consider off-shore drilling as part of comprehensive energy plan

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...801obama1.html

Republicans keep on fighting!!!!

What the Dems did is plain wrong......

Sorry this is freedom of speech issue, and Pelosi ran scared and shut down
Cspan, to make sure no one could see it. Republicans never did this to Democrats when they were in power.....

The Dems are not for free speech,face it. Opposing views scare them. And the Republicans will fight for the US just as Abraham Lincoln did in the Civil War.

Yes this is the Liberal Democratic Congress, fly on their gas guzzling private jets while average Americas suffer with 4 dollar gas prices. Pelosi and the liberal left ride in their SUVs and tell the public to sell theirs....total hypocrisy on their part.

Gas would have been cheaper if Clinton had let us drill for oil ten years ago. Thank goodness GW lifted the oil drilling ban his father had put into place years back. The price of gas has gone down some, but real drilling will put oil prices back to normal.

Finally it is good to see Republicans fight back Socialist and Environmental
Facist like tactics.

What the Socialist Democrats don't want you to see:

http://qik.com/video/147257#

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08-04-2008, 09:14 AM

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wow. all excellent links and points...

interesting times. i like the democrats' position on this. i like vacation as much as the next guy. who cares about serving the country in a time of emergency???

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08-04-2008, 11:20 AM

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The simple fact is that drilling won't alleviate the gas price issue. Period. There should be no arguing this fact as it is irrefutable fact that oil drilling started now won't even be available to the market in the time horizons that people on this forum have been discussing. So bringing up the issue of oil drilling to lower gas prices is a nonstarter. I can't get around why people are so retarded over this issue.

Did those oil/gas lobby commercials that were flying about wildly in the last 6 months have such an effect? Are so many people gullible about a subject because they are too lazy to learn themselves and simply pickup talking points from a oil/gas lobby commercial that spoon feeds lies?

The differences between the policies with the two candidates is simple.

Obama:
He prefers that we leapfrog oil/gas drilling ventures and start stimulating a green tech surge of products and technologies that can be researched, designed, and manufactured domestically. He believes government subsidies now will net gains in the short term that will eventually outstrip any modicum of benefit from drilling today. The language of compromise that he threw out that people are pointing out as a "flip flop" is simply not true. His campaign asserts and from Obama's language, it assumes that a comprehensive energy policy may include a component of drilling that he would compromise on to get an overall energy policy that works to his vision passed in Congress. What he does not assert is that he would go back on his vision of alternative energies and embrace full throttle oil drilling as the panacea to his energy policy. So in that respect, I don't see the "flip flop" that others are pushing. In addition, the same people who do call the "flip flop" card are mere puppets pushing the neocon talking points fed to them by their TV. Pathetic.

McCain:
To his credit, I can say that he may have a realistic view of things and perhaps he leans to caution in relying on the advancement of alternative energy to alleviate the dependence on foreign oil. He wants to mix a strategy of drilling and subsidies for alternative energy, but without the singular focus in getting off oil now, he may stagger such a goal by decades and create the chances of a more severe energy crisis at a later time. Afterall, oil is not forever and the surveys only show that the U.S. would only have access to about 3% of the world's available reserves through this increased drilling activity. To me, the promise of a payout (lower gas prices) doesn't roll with me when I won't even see it in the market for 7-9 years and by then, the price of gas could be anywhere and even the oil companies can't guarantee that it would lower gas prices, as they have no authority to set prices as dictated by OPEC, nor can they tell the future for the next 7-9 years. McCain promises subsidies for solar, wind, nuclear, and clean coal, but I suspect most of them will simply go to subsidize more nuclear plants which IMO, is a move backwards when America, having suffered 3 Mile Island during the 70s, decided to change their energy policies away from nuclear sources. In this respect, McCain goes with what he can quantify now. Unfortunately, I fear he lacks the vision to rely on the promise of solar and wind tomorrow.

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You think the oil crisis is an emergency?

I guess if they ever canceled American Idol, you'd see that as the collapse of western civilization.

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You think the oil crisis is an emergency?

I guess if they ever canceled American Idol, you'd see that as the collapse of western civilization.

no. but i believe the effects of the energy situation spawns so many other issues that constitutes situations that require immediate action.

i believe the term 'emergency' is referring to a situation that should not wait until a more convenient time, but would benefit from immediate action.

as far as american idol - if we had phone votes we might see a better turn out for the generals.

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You think the oil crisis is an emergency?

I guess if they ever canceled American Idol, you'd see that as the collapse of western civilization.

Well said!

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In terms of when we begin drilling versus when that oil would reach the market, it's a moot point. It will likely be >5 years. The pros of drilling are not decreased prices. The biggest pro is guaranteeing ourselves the oil we need until we have developed VIABLE alternative energy sources.

The reason it is important for us to drill and refine our own oil is because peak oil production in the world has probably been reached. If not, we are extremely close to it. In the next few decades, the amount of available oil will likely drop off sharply as world supplies begin to dwindle. This is going to result in astronomical prices, and probably a great deal of violent conflict. When this happens, those who hold the oil will have a great deal of power on the global scale.

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08-04-2008, 03:20 PM

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i've actually contemplated this (and mentioned it on another thread). is it possible that there is a huge government conspiracy that we elected not to drill - and asked every other country with oil reserves to tap and drill in every crack and crevice (regardless of natural resources destroyed), until they run out? and then who would be the only country left with oil? us. we would have that power - and then everybody would want to either attack us, or buy oil from us.

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^^^
I'd say it's certainly possible

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