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08-19-2008, 08:34 PM
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Truly Scared of a McCain Presidency... "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"?
I respect John McCain, he's a veteran to be truly admired. Overall, a great man, who means well - a patriot. However, let's look at some issues that we'll face as a nation if he were to be elected...
Supreme Court Justices: If you're a Republican, but not a neocon, do you truly think justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito were good choices? Probably not. There has to be a bi-partisan balance in the Supreme Court, and when the aging, more liberal-leaning justices step down in the next four years are we really ready to have a neocon monopoly with the nomination of McCain's picks? Healthcare: "I'm not for government sponsored healthcare", said John McCain. If we continue to allow big business to determine healthcare costs, ie hospitals and drug companies, we're looking at a tough future insofar as our physical/mental health is concerned. There absolutely has to be Federally mandated healthcare, and for the GOP'ers out there who're always talking about "small government", what about your George Bush Presidency and the long reach of the Republican arm this last cycle? Record spending under Republicans (I thought Conservatives were "fiscally conservative"?). We CAN afford to care for our Vets, and our Citizens. The War: Iraq is not a war that can be won. It's a civil war, and the combat American troops engage in is with sectarian groups. Did the surge work? Well, considering our surge troops are still there, I'm going to say not as well as McCain/Bush would have you believe. McCain's a military man, and he wants to "...extinguish evil everywhere it lurks". Are you ready to spend many more billions in a war with Iraq? Our military and our budget is spread too thin, and he's too eager to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran". The economy: Drill, drill, drill! McCain's claims report that the hurricanes didn't spill any oil... That's not true. In fact, many of our oil platforms spilled alot of oil, their insfrastructures aren't inherently safe. If you lived on the coasts that the proposed drilling were to occur, you'd understand my skepticism. Also, McCain doesn't seem to realize that we wouldn't see any benefits from drilling for at least a decade, by then let's hope to God we've found another energy alternative to oil. McCain's worth $100,000,000 dollars. The last time he worried about gas prices was probably in the early 70's. When asked to give a monetary amount on "who's rich in America", McCain went on to say that we all are, if we have a house and love... I have a house, love, two cars and a big screen tv, but I'm not rich. I'm not going to be tax exempt like the oil companies... His voting record with GW Bush: 95% of the time he sided with GW. Have the last years truly been good for our economy? McCain's on the record having stated "Yes". In fact, he won't admit we're in a recession, even though the culprit, Goldspan alludes to that fact. It's a talking point to be sure, but an accurate one: Another 4 years of McCain IS another 4 years of GW Bush. McCain, like Obama, is a patriot, there's no doubt. I've been patient with the last 8 years though, and have loved Obama's rally cry. He's an extraordinarily intelligent man who can aide us in getting out of the quagmire's the last Administration's put us in. Is Obama perfect? Of course not, we'll have to work as a nation, and hopefully the House and Senate can actually become a potent, bipartisan force again and ACT. 8 Years of the Republican majority + Bush has been shameful. Let's let the pendulum swing back to the center, and may God's will be done in this crucial time for America.
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08-19-2008, 11:59 PM
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So it took us less than a decade from the time we put a man in space till we put a man on the moon yet you claim we can't drill and get more oil from a new location in less than ten years????????? It's technology we currently have not stuff we need to invent to get there. Also we don't even have to get a drop of oil from it to get the prices to drop. As soon as the all clear is given those countries that sell oil will try to protect their market. If the price of oil is high then there is profitability in drilling domestically (and support for that matter) so what would you do? reduce the price to make the competition suffer, if they ease the prices back then the public outcry for oil will diminish so there is a less likely chance for domestic production. Back in the 90's I worked in a machine shop that did contract work for major oil equipment companies. Their market (one company specifically since they dealt mostly with domestic) was in the tank because oil was something like $20 a barrel. Apparently it cost more than that to operate a known producing well, so the pumps no run, pump parts no wear out. I do not see prices ever going anywhere near that point but it illustrates the principle that a decrease in the value of oil will decrease domestic production. also is it me or coincidence that as soon as Bush lifted the presidential ban on drilling the price of oil started declining?
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08-21-2008, 10:38 AM
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Oil started to decline because people are driving less not because Bush lifted a moratorium.
With John MCain I fear that he would grant an audience with neo conservatives that would severely marginalize any movement towards a peaceful and non threatening path to Iran's suspension of nuclear enrichment. He has expressed time and time again that he would not have any direct diplomacy with Ahmedinejhad, that sort of non diplomacy is what we have seen from the current Bush administration since his inauguration and in effect, there has been little to no progress in the slowing or halting of Iran aspirations to manufacture weaponized uranium. In effect what Senator McCain is advocating is a scenario where the U.S. would have no other choice but to engage in hostile action against Iran because he feels that the U.S. having direct diplomacy with a state that is actively producing weapons grade uranium is somehow not worthy of unilateral negotiations. You also have to take his views in Iran in conjunction with his stance on Iraq, Senator McCain in my opinion doesn't see any hostile problem the world faces that the military can't solve and consequently would use U.S. forces early and often in spite of his comments about him hating war. What Americans are not reading into is the notion that we can keep U.S. forces in Iraq indefinitely and still not make a convincing effort to have clear and concise negotiations with Iran when we still need more troops in Afghanistan. If we were to do what Senator McCain proposes in Iran and war inevitably is waged then we would NOT have the ground troops available to fight on another front, which would mean a full scale DRAFT , which I would think the American people would not find appealing. I think the American people have for too long given their support to politicians with hawkish views, at least with a draft (which is a real possibility because I heard that word come out of McCains mouth during the democratic primary) the American people could stop and think about the leaders they elect and stop voting on the basis of "who we'd like to have a beer with", also all the Americans that are more hawkish in their political views can go and see the real hell of war through the eyes of an infantryman and get all the war they can handle. Peace.
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08-21-2008, 12:28 PM
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McSame delivered a speech recently on a new oil rig. That oil rig was 10 years in development and only now has started pumping oil. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._visits_o.html As stated, there were many factors for the drop in oil. Indictments on speculators by the CFTC, conservative driving, and "talk" of drilling offshore.
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08-21-2008, 01:59 PM
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NO! Obama's the elitist!  
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08-21-2008, 09:04 PM
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This entire thread sounds like regurgitation of left/right (mostly left) talking points.
That said, I think McCain is a Johnny Come Lately conservative and we don't really know what we're going to get with him. Obama is all teleprompter, no substance, and we don't really know what we're going to get with him. Bottom line: We're f'd either way.
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08-22-2008, 06:48 AM
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If you can point out what part of my post you perceive as a talking point then we can go a little bit deeper into the subject. I disagree with your description of Obama's campaign message, there is a whole lot of substance but it's human nature to filter things out that don't appeal to our ideals, I guess we should all pay a little more attention. You're right about that teleprompter though, wow can that guy give a speech or what ? What we should all consider is their style of leading, Senator McCain is a very direct person and gives me the impression that he would fight vigorously for what he stands for, Senator Obama takes a more nuanced approach to tough issues, his solutions for foreign and domestic policy sometimes can't fit into 10 sec. sound bites so it leads people to believe that he either has no plan at all or that he's indecisive but he believes that the problems we face today aren't cut and dry and require more in depth solutions. It all boils down to what you want in your leader, a straight shooter or a measure twice cut once type of leader. I think it's also worth mentioning that our world isn't painted in black and white and there is alot of gray area, most of the time there isn't a straight shooter style answer to alot of world problems. My take on it is, we don't need a military tactitioner in office because we have the best in theater right now, what we need is a critical thinker and a person that gives more than a moments thought to tough issues. I'm sure that most republicans here would disagree though.
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08-22-2008, 03:53 PM
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Don't jump to the conclusion that I'm a fan of McCain here - I want him as far away from the oval office as I do the smoke and mirrors candidate. That's why I said we're f'd either way.
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08-22-2008, 04:24 PM
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I agree. But we're a little less F'd with McCain IMO. 
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08-22-2008, 04:35 PM
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Well if that's how you feel then I guess an educated discussion on issues is not what you had in mind. I would have liked to debate on the candidates respective stances on the most pertinent problems our country faces, not to bash each other but to get a greater understanding of the truth because it is always right in the middle, not on the left or the right. I respect that you're a party hardliner so there probably wouldn't have been a non confrontational discussion anyway, you would have called me a liberal dumba*s, etcetera. I'm sorry that you have such hard feelings toward both candidates, there will be third party candidates running though, maybe one of those gentlemen can court your vote. Have a nice day  .
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08-22-2008, 05:10 PM
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08-22-2008, 05:28 PM
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No kidding. I am completely comfortable supporting a candidate that has to ask his staffers how many homes he owns..
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08-22-2008, 05:29 PM
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It is a shame, why are some republicans so angry? 
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