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[SIR NUPE A LOT]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

What 6 million of what race is Obama supposed to be exterminating? Was there a gas chamber stimulus bill package we don't know about. I figure Obama has about 8 years max to exterminate 6 million. Logistically, he probably needs to get right on that now. I wonder where these facilities will be located?

GITMO!!! It's a conspiracy, can't you see it unfolding right before your eyes damn it!

I still find it funny though, that people tout history as a lesson, but any time a Black person brings up slavery, or Jim Crow we're told to get over it! Could I make the same assinine comparisons of the behaviors/similarities of our current White Elected officials to those of the past? Or better yet, should I/We? Hmmmmmmm

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

What 6 million of what race is Obama supposed to be exterminating? Was there a gas chamber stimulus bill package we don't know about. I figure Obama has about 8 years max to exterminate 6 million. Logistically, he probably needs to get right on that now. I wonder where these facilities will be located?

So you think that exterminating is the only thing that Hitler did? This is a lost conversation on you.

How many Jews did Hitler have exterminated in 1930? 0.

We shouldn't have been afraid of his intentions either according to your position.

Hitler was a great guy. It wasn't until 1939 should we have started to worry (Poland). So that is 9 years after his election. I guess Obama is safe because he'll be a lame duck.

(Please don't bring up the timeline of American involvement - that is irrelevant to my point of one's intentions and the steps leading to their actions)

We'll wait until after Obama does something drastic to affect our nation's situation more negatively before we start worrying about him. How's that?

Just like we should wait until our engine's seize before we change our oil.

[slaytan213]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

So you think that exterminating is the only thing that Hitler did? This is a lost conversation on you.

How many Jews did Hitler have exterminated in 1930? 0.

We shouldn't have been afraid of his intentions either according to your position.

Hitler was a great guy. It wasn't until 1939 should we have started to worry (Poland). So that is 9 years after his election. I guess Obama is safe because he'll be a lame duck.

(Please don't bring up the timeline of American involvement - that is irrelevant to my point of one's intentions and the steps leading to their actions)

We'll wait until after Obama does something drastic to affect our nation's situation more negatively before we start worrying about him. How's that?

Just like we should wait until our engine's seize before we change our oil.

by the same logic, we could also make the distinction that Obama is like Jesus (if he existed)

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by slaytan213

by the same logic, we could also make the distinction that Obama is like Jesus (if he existed)

Yes, slaytan - Jesus wanted to nationalize healthcare, raise taxes, and expand government's role in our country.

[Jeff92se]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

So you think that exterminating is the only thing that Hitler did? This is a lost conversation on you.

How many Jews did Hitler have exterminated in 1930? 0.

We shouldn't have been afraid of his intentions either according to your position.

Hitler was a great guy. It wasn't until 1939 should we have started to worry (Poland). So that is 9 years after his election. I guess Obama is safe because he'll be a lame duck.

(Please don't bring up the timeline of American involvement - that is irrelevant to my point of one's intentions and the steps leading to their actions)

We'll wait until after Obama does something drastic to affect our nation's situation more negatively before we start worrying about him. How's that?

Just like we should wait until our engine's seize before we change our oil.

Let's not play games here okay? We all know it's Hitler's extermination of 6 million Jews that's the determinating factor of why he's being used as a comparison with Obama. But okay, let's play that factor down.

Taking the extermination thing out, what exactly makes the Hitler example better than let's say Japan, Noraway, China, France, Swedan, Canada or any other country that uses a mix of socalistic and captialistic models for their country?

Yes, slaytan - Jesus wanted to nationalize healthcare, raise taxes, and expand government's role in our country

How is your quote (however incorrect but for now us it) and description make Hitler the best example to compare with Obama? You've just illustrated pretty much all of Europe and Asia.

In fact, why is Hilter being used at all? Because he's some socialism supporter? We went though this already. He actually was AGAINST socialism and was actually more for privitization. Do we need to go though this yet again?

[jaspergtr]

Yes. We did already discuss that Hitler is being used to illicit a certain response from another portion of your brain that is used as a marketing tool by almost everybody on the surface of the planet for something.

This is why I don't get the alarming reaction from you. People will point out extremes. I've learned this from my President. Obama does it. So it should be ok for anybody else to do it.

It is done by the best salesmen in the world (my example of timeshare). It's called marketing (i.e. Bush/McCain). Bush wasn't McCain. Obama wasn't running against Bush. Obama may not kill 6 million jews. That's not the point at all. If you don't get it by now, you never will.

[slaytan213]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

Yes, slaytan - Jesus wanted to nationalize healthcare, raise taxes, and expand government's role in our country.

Jesus went around healing people, was against the rich, and taught that we are our brothers keeper...

[Jeff92se]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

Yes. We did already discuss that Hitler is being used to illicit a certain response from another portion of your brain that is used as a marketing tool by almost everybody on the surface of the planet for something.

This is why I don't get the alarming reaction from you. People will point out extremes. I've learned this from my President. Obama does it. So it should be ok for anybody else to do it.

It is done by the best salesmen in the world (my example of timeshare). It's called marketing (i.e. Bush/McCain). Bush wasn't McCain. Obama wasn't running against Bush. Obama may not kill 6 million jews. That's not the point at all. If you don't get it by now, you never will.

No. We discussed how Hilter's economic policies during his reign and during war times were actually more towards privitization vs socalism.

Okay, what is the point? Just blatently use the worse guy you can think of despite that person being a very poor example? Really? Is that what you are getting at? You're the one supporting the example and trying to justify the example. After it's shown Hitler is just a rididiculous scare tactic originated by guys like Rush, O'Reilly and Beck, what's the result? These guys hang the American public out to dry when the media throws Americans under the bus for being duped into making signs like Hitler = Obama / Obama = terrorist etc at the Sept 12th rally. Way to legitimize your cause.

Dennis Miller had it right on the money.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

No. We discussed how Hilter's economic policies during his reign and during war times were actually more towards privitization vs socalism.

Okay, what is the point? Just blatently use the worse guy you can think of despite that person being a very poor example? Really? Is that what you are getting at? You're the one supporting the example and trying to justify the example. After it's shown Hitler is just a rididiculous scare tactic originated by guys like Rush, O'Reilly and Beck, what's the result? These guys hang the American public out to dry when the media throws Americans under the bus for being duped into making signs like Hitler = Obama / Obama = terrorist etc at the Sept 12th rally. Way to legitimize your cause.

Dennis Miller had it right on the money.

I don't know what Miller, Beck, O'Reilly, or Limbaugh is saying as I haven't listened to either of them in over 4 weeks.

Yes, it's a marketing strategy. Just like Obama uses to further his cause.

“Doing a little or nothing at all will result in even greater deficits, even greater job loss, even greater loss of income, and even greater loss of confidence,”
“Those are deficits that could turn a crisis into a catastrophe.”

“Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.”

I remember Gore doing the same thing with global warming. Great Britain was supposed to be underwater by now.

Obama - if we don't pass this bill, unemployment could reach 8% (I'm not going to get into the 8% and 10% disparity, I'm just saying that 8%, back then, evoked a response of extremism - Obama's own position - that was his intent of the statement).

[Jeff92se]

Until Obama compares Bush to one of the most evil dictators of all time, the right really has nothing on the table that even comes into the realm of comparison IMHO.

Not sure how an 8% unemployment estimate is a scare tactic meant to scare the public into supporting a policy. Especially when that estimate looks to be have been conservative and not extreme.

Looks like most of Obama's and other claims are either partly true or pretty much spot on. Yeah, I don't like Gore that much either, then again his views are climate change are based on way more fact than your Hilter comparison. The difference being one could and actually can make a case for it. Hilter? Really? Not really.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

Until Obama compares Bush to one of the most evil dictators of all time, the right really has nothing on the table that even comes into the realm of comparison IMHO.

Not sure how an 8% unemployment estimate is a scare tactic meant to scare the public into supporting a policy. Especially when that estimate looks to be have been conservative and not extreme.

Looks like most of Obama's and other claims are either partly true or pretty much spot on. Yeah, I don't like Gore that much either, then again his views are climate change are based on way more fact than your Hilter comparison. The difference being one could and actually can make a case for it. Hilter? Really? Not really.

I'm not justifying the Hitler comparison, just explaining it.

Anyway, Obama's intent with the 8% was to invoke a certain level of 'alarmism'. - He said this, I'm not making it up.

I never initiated any comparison between Obama and Hitler. Bush said if we do nothing in Iraq, it could cost American lives.

Obama said if we do nothing about healthcare reform, it will catastrophic.

Show me the difference in tactic.

[Jeff92se]

We are now off the Hitler comparasion because it's a completely idiotic comparsion? Yes? okay.

As far as this NEW comparison subject. I don't see anything too alarming. Arguments could be made both ways for both.

Although IMHO doing nothing in IRAQ I find a bit to generalistic. There was no more terrorist threat in Iraq at that time than in Pakistan, Africa or any other country harboring Al Qaeda. Thus I don't think that justified charging into Iraq on some made up WMDs. Nor on the made up Iraqi Freedom. Nor on the made up war against terror as it related to Iraq at the time.

Healtcare costs are rising at a pretty alarming rate. I see it as possibley collapsing just like the .com and real estate bubbles. I thinkk that justifies the urgency of action. Most in the left and right agree. They just don't agree on what action.

Most people don't see the healthcare cost raises as their employer usually pays. But talk to a self employed person about how their premiums have risen. That IMHO gives us a better idea how much costs are escalating.

[fecurtis]

Wasn't Bush and pundits like Limbaugh strong advocates for a powerful military and pre-emptive strikes?

My God...so were the Nazi's! We've been becoming a Nazi nation since 2000?!?!? ****, I can't believe none of us ever caught it.

I also recall that Obama was compared to Hitler because Hitler developed projects to keep people employed, like the Autobahn. By this proxy Eisenhower is also a Nazi for developing the US Interstate System (which was directly inspired by the Autobahn system developed under Hitler).

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

[Wickster]

Originally Posted by slaytan213

Jesus went around healing people, was against the rich, and taught that we are our brothers keeper...

Slay, this is way off topic but you seem to know quite a bit about the bible and it's teachings yet you say you don't believe in God, why is that? Also, from what I have gathered from what you have written in the past is that you are of a Latin decent. Almost every Latin that I know was raised with heavy Catholic influence, were you? If you were raised in a religious home, what changed your mind about religion?

[Jeff92se]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Wasn't Bush and pundits like Limbaugh strong advocates for a powerful military and pre-emptive strikes?

My God...so were the Nazi's! We've been becoming a Nazi nation since 2000?!?!? ****, I can't believe none of us ever caught it.

I also recall that Obama was compared to Hitler because Hitler developed projects to keep people employed, like the Autobahn. By this proxy Eisenhower is also a Nazi for developing the US Interstate System (which was directly inspired by the Autobahn system developed under Hitler).

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

Well look who created it.