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[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

I'm not justifying the Hitler comparison, just explaining it.

Anyway, Obama's intent with the 8% was to invoke a certain level of 'alarmism'. - He said this, I'm not making it up.

I never initiated any comparison between Obama and Hitler. Bush said if we do nothing in Iraq, it could cost American lives.

Obama said if we do nothing about healthcare reform, it will catastrophic.

Show me the difference in tactic.

There isn't one. The democrats enjoy playing this up to be the most efficient, greatest, and perfect legislation ever drafted in American history. The Republicans enjoy playing this up to be something Adolf Hilter would support (in which case, every developed country in the world but the US has at least one thing Hitler would like) and that it will also violently murder your grandparents.

Both are gross over-exaggerations and instead of sitting down, doing analysis, and asking the right questions, Americans are perfectly content by listening to, and becoming incredibly detracted by, hyperboles thrown around by both sides.

Sad really how incapable Americans are of trying to think for themselves and how they enjoy viewing things in black and white...and become easily manipulated by the most asinine statements. Democrats and Republicans use it because Americans are, unfortunately, retarded and fall for it.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

As far as this NEW comparison subject. I don't see anything too alarming. Arguments could be made both ways for both.

Agreed.

Although IMHO doing nothing in IRAQ I find a bit to generalistic. There was no more terrorist threat in Iraq at that time than in Pakistan, Africa or any other country harboring Al Qaeda. Thus I don't think that justified charging into Iraq on some made up WMDs. Nor on the made up Iraqi Freedom. Nor on the made up war against terror as it related to Iraq at the time.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I disagree with it.

Healtcare costs are rising at a pretty alarming rate. I see it as possibley collapsing just like the .com and real estate bubbles. I thinkk that justifies the urgency of action. Most in the left and right agree. They just don't agree on what action.

Agreed. But don't scare me into supporting this one, simply because it's your's (Obama), look around for other ideas and get your head out of the partyline.

Most people don't see the healthcare cost raises as their employer usually pays. But talk to a self employed person about how their premiums have risen. That IMHO gives us a better idea how much costs are escalating.

Agreed. I never cared about healthcare costs until I transitioned out of the military. Now that I pay for it myself, I still don't see it being too bad. It's about what I'd expect.

[Wickster]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Wasn't Bush and pundits like Limbaugh strong advocates for a powerful military and pre-emptive strikes?

My God...so were the Nazi's! We've been becoming a Nazi nation since 2000?!?!? ****, I can't believe none of us ever caught it.

I also recall that Obama was compared to Hitler because Hitler developed projects to keep people employed, like the Autobahn. By this proxy Eisenhower is also a Nazi for developing the US Interstate System (which was directly inspired by the Autobahn system developed under Hitler).

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

There have been many US presidents that were for pre-emptive strikes. Gulf of Tonkin is just one of many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Wickster

There have been many US presidents that were for pre-emptive strikes. Gulf of Tonkin is just one of many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

I know, my point was you could pretty much take anyone and compare them to Hitler. Who cares, it detracts from the real issue at hand. The democrats get people feeling too comfortable, as if this legislation was written by God himself. The nazi and Hitler comparisons are no coincidence, they too (like the "Death Panels") were carefully crafted to scare the crap out of people.

It's sad that people are stupid enough to just believe anything they read or hear without any second thought.

[Jeff92se]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

Agreed.

cool

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I disagree with it.

Not sure what part. Justification for going in or that Bush used unnecessary scare tactics. I think the former. But I get it. Issue dropped

Agreed. But don't scare me into supporting this one, simply because it's your's (Obama), look around for other ideas and get your head out of the partyline.

It's not mine and Obama has said he would look to others for ideas. From other members of Gov't and from other countries. Whether you believe or not..... But he has publicly stated that the bill isn't set in concrete yet.

Agreed. I never cared about healthcare costs until I transitioned out of the military. Now that I pay for it myself, I still don't see it being too bad. It's about what I'd expect.

I'll go out on a limb and say healthcare costs have greatly outpaced raises in income in the past and in the future

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...mXQMgD9ANTRAG0

[SIR NUPE A LOT]

Originally Posted by Wickster

There have been many US presidents that were for pre-emptive strikes. Gulf of Tonkin is just one of many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

So where are your threads about about comparisons of past US Presidents and Hitler? Biased much? So with that said, will you stop posting these ridiculous threads?












I doubt it.

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

It's not mine and Obama has said he would look to others for ideas. From other members of Gov't and from other countries. Whether you believe or not..... But he has publicly stated that the bill isn't set in concrete yet.

My apologies. I wasn't implying 'you' I was directing it at Obama for telling me, that if we do nothing (hinting at not supporting his plan) bad things will happen. I find this rather elementary. Instead he should be open to other ideas, not just saying 'my ideas are better, and if you object, you're an extremist.'

I'll go out on a limb and say healthcare costs have greatly outpaced raises in income in the past and in the future

I don't disagree. I was just saying it's about what I'd expect them to be.

[SIR NUPE A LOT]

Originally Posted by Jeff92se

I'll go out on a limb and say healthcare costs have greatly outpaced raises in income in the past and in the future

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...mXQMgD9ANTRAG0

And inflation has vastly outpaced our base income, sucks don't it?!

[Wickster]

It's not just one thing that you can compare, it's many. Do I think BO would start wars as Hitler did? No, but I do think BO wants to drag this country into Hilter like domestic policies that will only hurt us. Do I think he wants an internal police force bigger and stronger than our military to bully his policies on us? Yes, hence the comparison to brown shirts. Hell, he even said he wants this force! There are many other comparisons to make as well.

[SIR NUPE A LOT]

Originally Posted by jaspergtr

My apologies. I wasn't implying 'you' I was directing it at Obama for telling me, that if we do nothing (hinting at not supporting his plan) bad things will happen. I find this rather elementary. Instead he should be open to other ideas, not just saying 'my ideas are better, and if you object, you're an extremist.'

See that's where we differ. You take it as "(hinting at not supporting his plan) bad things will happen." And I take his statements as bad things will have if we do nothing, not necessarily go with his plan so bad things won't happen. Because in essence, it's not his plan, he laid out a broad frame work of what he would want in the bill, and it's Congress' job to hash out particulars of the plan, in a bi-partisan fashion....good luck!

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Wickster

It's not just one thing that you can compare, it's many. Do I think BO would start wars as Hitler did? No, but I do think BO wants to drag this country into Hilter like domestic policies that will only hurt us. Do I think he wants an internal police force bigger and stronger than our military to bully his policies on us? Yes, hence the comparison to brown shirts. Hell, he even said he wants this force! There are many other comparisons to make as well.

Wrongggggggggggggggg.

Unless you think AmeriCorps is some sort of armed force that will kick down your door if you own a gas guzzling SUV.

It's funny, people like you will believe nothing Obama says....yet, for some reason, not only "believe" this, but completely misconstrue it and believe that he wants to control people. He was a community organizer, if you translate his "feel good" political speak into plain English, it reads something like:

"I want to have a strong, well funded source at home as well as abroad in order to improve our own local communities".

For some reason, you figured people would be happy and would cheer him on for this interpretation:

"I want to have a well funded internal police force equipped with a slew of Abrams M1A2 tanks, surface to air missiles, UAV's, and fighter jets to roam your skys and neighborhoods to make sure you're doing exactly what I tell you".

[Jeff92se]

I'm curious, exactly what domestic polices will Obama impliment that 1) mirrors what Hitler did and 2) would hurt the country in some way?

[SIR NUPE A LOT]

Originally Posted by Wickster

It's not just one thing that you can compare, it's many. Do I think BO would start wars as Hitler did? No, but I do think BO wants to drag this country into Hilter like domestic policies that will only hurt us. Do I think he wants an internal police force bigger and stronger than our military to bully his policies on us? Yes, hence the comparison to brown shirts. Hell, he even said he wants this force! There are many other comparisons to make as well.

And what specific policies would those be, please name them all, I want to know for my own knowledge?! And please don't bring in Socialism, because we have threads on how Hitler was no Socialist. And as I commented in the other thread, Socialism is not the boogey man, but an economic theory....that doesn't equate to nazi Germany, or any other assinine comparisons!

[Jeff92se]

thanks for quoting. haha

[jaspergtr]

Originally Posted by Wickster

It's not just one thing that you can compare, it's many. Do I think BO would start wars as Hitler did? No, but I do think BO wants to drag this country into Hilter like domestic policies that will only hurt us. Do I think he wants an internal police force bigger and stronger than our military to bully his policies on us? Yes, hence the comparison to brown shirts. Hell, he even said he wants this force! There are many other comparisons to make as well.

One could also argue that many people complain that there is not enough police presence in certain areas.

Why not improve this? Why not have citizens looking after citizens?

I mean, the intent is good, are you implying this is the one of the early steps towards a forceful dictatorship? I don't think it could happen in 4 years. Could it happen over time? Certainly. But there must be a strong movement within the majority of the country.