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LMAO at all the "Obama is socialist" FOX sheeple

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top Fox News executive made repeated on-air references to Barack Obama’s affinity for “socialism” in the 2008 campaign, only later to acknowledge he was engaging in “mischievous speculation” about something he found “far-fetched.”

The admission came from Bill Sammon, now the “fair and balanced” network’s vice president and Washington, D.C. managing editor. A few months after the campaign, Sammon was guest on a Mediterranean cruise sponsored by conservative Hillsdale College.

According to an audio obtained by the Media Matters watchdog group (and persistent Fox critic), Sammon said:


“Last year, candidate Barack Obama stood on a sidewalk in Toledo, Ohio, and first let it slip to Joe the Plumber that he wanted to, quote, ‘spread the wealth around.’

“At the time, I have to admit, that I went on TV and Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched.”

Sammon went on two Fox News programs in October of 2008 to suggest that spread-the-wealth is “tantamount to socialism” and that Obama’s writings suggest that he was “drawn to Marxists.”

In an e-mail to Fox News staffers, Sammon highlighted “Obama’s references to socialism, liberalism, Marxism and Marxists” in the future president’s autobiography Dreams from My Father.”

Sammon tried to explain his apparent admission of untruth in a Tuesday interview with Howard Kurtz of The Daily Beast.

“In an interview, Sammon says his references to ‘mischievous speculation’ was ‘my probably inartful way of saying: ‘Can you believe how far this thing has come?’” Kurtz wrote.

And, writes Kurtz, Sammon continued, “The socialism question indeed ‘struck me as a far-fetched idea’ in 2008. I considered it kind of a remarkable notion that we would even be having this conversation.”

Media Matters has released a succession of Sammon’s internal memos to the troops.

As Congress debated health care reform, he urged Fox News staff to “please use the term ‘government-run health insurance’, or, when brevity is concerned, ‘government option’ whenever possible.”

He discouraged use of the phrase “public option,” and suggested Fox News pundits refer to “the public option, which is the government-run plan.”

In another memo, Sammon urged expression of doubt whenever Fox reported on findings by scientists studying climate change.
Gee I wonder who we could be refering to here?
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lmao at op's continuing denials of obama's obvious socialist views.
something the majority of voters now recognize.
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this is about a FOX network executive admitting the biased reporting

It's you Mark that fell for it hook, line and sinker.
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Holy crap... news mediums are biased?

People say one thing and then do something completely opposite (claim fair/balanced and are not).

I am shocked and appalled for one.
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Biased is one thing. Out right irresponsible inflammatory reporting is another.
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Holy crap... news mediums are run by men with their own corrupt agendas.

I am shocked.

If it's been said once, it's been said a million times: If you get your news from just one place, if you fully trust any one source of news... you know the rest.
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lmao at op's continuing denials of obama's obvious socialist views.
something the majority of voters now recognize.
Socialism suggests getting rid of capitalism altogether, and Obama is nowhere near that line... in fact most socialists (and I'm one) are insulted by the connection with Obama as one.

But more to the point... which Obama policies are truly socialist in comparison to existing policies in our government. Obamacare... paleeeese, that's no more socialist than Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, national highways, the armed services, education, the power grid, government bailouts over the years)--- all systems implemented by Republicans and Democrats alike.

When I read that he's a socialist, I always wonder if the writer really knows what socialism is or do they like throwing a term out hoping it sticks. There is more than one form of socialism, which one is he ascribing to?
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Socialism suggests getting rid of capitalism altogether, and Obama is nowhere near that line... in fact most socialists (and I'm one) are insulted by the connection with Obama as one.

But more to the point... which Obama policies are truly socialist in comparison to existing policies in our government. Obamacare... paleeeese, that's no more socialist than Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, national highways, the armed services, education, the power grid, government bailouts over the years)--- all systems implemented by Republicans and Democrats alike.

When I read that he's a socialist, I always wonder if the writer really knows what socialism is or do they like throwing a term out hoping it sticks. There is more than one form of socialism, which one is he ascribing to?
I am very curious about what your definition of socialism is being that you are socialist as you indicate? What are you ultimately looking for this country?
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I'm becoming more and more convinced the majority of you people spend your time here:

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I got nothing from the above post other than someone wanted to claim they are socialist. Highly doubtful.

I'm an iglooist.
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I didn't know Bill Sammon, now the “fair and balanced” network’s vice president and Washington, D.C. managing editor was a tolerent liberal
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I am very curious about what your definition of socialism is being that you are socialist as you indicate? What are you ultimately looking for this country?
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I got nothing from the above post other than someone wanted to claim they are socialist. Highly doubtful.

I'm an iglooist.
An Iglooist, eh?

Sheesh... you guys called me out on it! I was hoping GT/E would have challenged me!!! I'm actually no true socialist; HOWEVER, I do struggle with the pure capitalist mindset (and I think most of us are on the continuum) vs. the true socialist doctrine. Most of us carry "genes" from both doctrines to varying degrees, note our acceptance of the redistribution of resources such as Medicare, SS, education, and the struggle/rejection of the so called "Obamacare".

And yet, Obama is still nowhere close to a socialist. For example, the $700 billion "bailout" of insurance companies and select banks, while labeled as a socialist act, it's far from it. In a true socialist doctrine, every citizen would have voted on the bailout decision and every employee at places like AIG and Goldman Sachs would have had to approve every shakey loan. Imagine the implications-- citizens would have had a true say (which the media would have hoped for, but would never have labeled as socialist). Do others see the lack of cognitive dissonance surrounding this?
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An Iglooist, eh?

Sheesh... you guys called me out on it! I was hoping GT/E would have challenged me!!! I'm actually no true socialist; HOWEVER, I do struggle with the pure capitalist mindset (and I think most of us are on the continuum) vs. the true socialist doctrine. Most of us carry "genes" from both doctrines to varying degrees, note our acceptance of the redistribution of resources such as Medicare, SS, education, and the struggle/rejection of the so called "Obamacare".

And yet, Obama is still nowhere close to a socialist. For example, the $700 billion "bailout" of insurance companies and select banks, while labeled as a socialist act, it's far from it. In a true socialist doctrine, every citizen would have voted on the bailout decision and every employee at places like AIG and Goldman Sachs would have had to approve every shakey loan. Imagine the implications-- citizens would have had a true say (which the media would have hoped for, but would never have labeled as socialist). Do others see the lack of cognitive dissonance surrounding this?
No true system whether being capitalism, socialism or any other will work. A certain mix of everything is needed to refine the entire system. What I mean is medicare, social security and so forth is needed to an extent. The elderly, veterans, disabled and so forth are at the mercy of their situation. Someone could have worked their entire lives invested into annuities, retirement plans and so on and have it washed away due to a bad economy. Now they are old and nobody wants them. They need help.

Now my issue is that as people we are too dependent on others. The person making all these investments was simply working and giving their money to someone else to control. These "pros" told them to invest in "A" stock because you will have guaranteed results. Well that didn't work out too well. So now the working class is stuck supporting an ever growing population. Too much government control and oversight causes dependency. The government told us give us money for social security we will have it there when you retire. Now its more like give us money and if you are lucky you might see it.

I'm not saying privatize everything or regulate everything. We are going from privatizing everything (last administration) to regulating everything (with the current administration). The elderly population is growing rapidly, which is further going to screw us.

You indicate in a true socialist system the workers in a company would vote on a new resolution or decision. This would take way too long to accomplish. If citizens had to vote on every decision nothing would get done. That is why we elect these morons to represent us and our communities. That is one of the ideas of democracy.
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No true system whether being capitalism, socialism or any other will work. A certain mix of everything is needed to refine the entire system. What I mean is medicare, social security and so forth is needed to an extent. The elderly, veterans, disabled and so forth are at the mercy of their situation. Someone could have worked their entire lives invested into annuities, retirement plans and so on and have it washed away due to a bad economy. Now they are old and nobody wants them. They need help.

Now my issue is that as people we are too dependent on others. The person making all these investments was simply working and giving their money to someone else to control. These "pros" told them to invest in "A" stock because you will have guaranteed results. Well that didn't work out too well. So now the working class is stuck supporting an ever growing population. Too much government control and oversight causes dependency. The government told us give us money for social security we will have it there when you retire. Now its more like give us money and if you are lucky you might see it.

I'm not saying privatize everything or regulate everything. We are going from privatizing everything (last administration) to regulating everything (with the current administration). The elderly population is growing rapidly, which is further going to screw us.

You indicate in a true socialist system the workers in a company would vote on a new resolution or decision. This would take way too long to accomplish. If citizens had to vote on every decision nothing would get done. That is why we elect these morons to represent us and our communities. That is one of the ideas of democracy.
Good post.

But about social security. If all the politicans LEFT THE ACCOUNT ALONE, it would be in fine shape. But everyone raided that fund and now it's in the dumps. You don't hear about that in the news. SS is okay. It's what the politicans did to SS is what is bad.
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No true system whether being capitalism, socialism or any other will work. A certain mix of everything is needed to refine the entire system. What I mean is medicare, social security and so forth is needed to an extent. The elderly, veterans, disabled and so forth are at the mercy of their situation. Someone could have worked their entire lives invested into annuities, retirement plans and so on and have it washed away due to a bad economy. Now they are old and nobody wants them. They need help.

Now my issue is that as people we are too dependent on others. The person making all these investments was simply working and giving their money to someone else to control. These "pros" told them to invest in "A" stock because you will have guaranteed results. Well that didn't work out too well. So now the working class is stuck supporting an ever growing population. Too much government control and oversight causes dependency. The government told us give us money for social security we will have it there when you retire. Now its more like give us money and if you are lucky you might see it.

I'm not saying privatize everything or regulate everything. We are going from privatizing everything (last administration) to regulating everything (with the current administration). The elderly population is growing rapidly, which is further going to screw us.

You indicate in a true socialist system the workers in a company would vote on a new resolution or decision. This would take way too long to accomplish. If citizens had to vote on every decision nothing would get done. That is why we elect these morons to represent us and our communities. That is one of the ideas of democracy.

Yes, exellent post.

Remember, when SS was started back in the late thirties, the average life expectancy was 61-65 years. WE EXPECTED PEOPLE TO DIE BEFORE THEY COLLECTED!

Now with our much improved medical care we are living way past that. We have more Centarians now than at any time in history. That is a big part of why SS and MC are broke.

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Good post.

But about social security. If all the politicans LEFT THE ACCOUNT ALONE, it would be in fine shape. But everyone raided that fund and now it's in the dumps. You don't hear about that in the news. SS is okay. It's what the politicans did to SS is what is bad.
So true.

My wife in NOT in SS. She had the choice when she started teaching 35 years ago and she was smart enough NOT to opt into SS. She is in the Texas Teacher Retirement System, a PRIVATE investment firm. It has assets of almost 300 BILLION dollars and is WELL managed.
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