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^Iran is a threat to no one. Remember those weapons of mass destruction that Bush always talked about? What happened to those? Oh that's right, they never existed!

Also, you mentioned how Americans are hated because of their government; well I am NOT my government. I dislike the American government, but I LOVE my country!
http://pjmedia.com/blog/satellite-ph...went-to-syria/

WMD's you speak of? They went to Syria in the summer of 2002 and shortly after and before the US invaded.
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WMD's you speak of? They went to Syria in the summer of 2002 and shortly after and before the US invaded.
Why didn't we invade Syria instead of Iraq?
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I'm not against some cuts between wars.
Particularly in areas that can afford to pay for their own defense. Like Europe and Great Britain.

But cutting to the point we can defend our interests is just plain foolhardy.

And I don't care one wit how we are viewed around the world as long as this county's welfare is number one priority along with our
faithful allies.

That is why I can no longer vote for Ron Paul if he is nominated.
Okay. Changing my mind again. I would vote for RP if he gets the nomination by some fluke because he is mostly right on issues except on the isolationism. and military strength.
Even though his policies on those are dangerous, he wouldn't be in office long enough to reverse much even in 8 years. If he lasted that long. And I don't want to do anything to make it possible for Obama to get re-elected
since he has been terrible on almost everything with only a few exceptions that I already pointed out.
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Surely there is a point between doing "nothing" and "doing everything" that makes sense. Where that spending point is....no one really knows...until things happen and we take our usual american "reactive approach" to things. That has surely been successful as well.

If they make cuts, they have to make them intelligently, There ARE other areas that can be cut aside from defense. We have to look out for the best interests of our country and our close allies. Simple as that.

And don't worry, even if we pull out of all these countries, we will always be hated throughout the globe, for various reasons. Do you really think we can change how muslim extremist terrorist groups feel about us or other "westernized" nations? Lets not be naive here...
^ Good post. While we don't need to do everything. We do still need to be involved in areas that are in our interests and those of our strong allies.
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WMD's you speak of? They went to Syria in the summer of 2002 and shortly after and before the US invaded.
Watch it. The truth about WMD's in Iraq and why we went in doesn't sit well with the Bush haters on here. You should see the names I've been called for supporting Bush and Blairs decision to go into Iraq.
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Why didn't we invade Syria instead of Iraq?
The intel at the time convince the UN, Blair and Bush and much of congress that Saddam still had his WMD obviously.
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In the tiny town of Riva del Garda in northern Italy, 83-year-old-Maria Malacarne Santorum keeps her family’s secrets—including those of her late husband’s cousin, Rick. In an exclusive interview with the Italian weekly magazine Oggi, Mrs. Santorum recalls fondly when Rick visited her in 1985 during his law internship in Florence, and when he came back again in 1986 and 1989. “He loved our culture and cuisine so much, he brought his wife-to-be, Karen, a massive cookbook of Italian recipes,” she said.

But the elder Santorum matriarch doesn’t understand why he has diverged so far from the family’s longtime political stance. “In Riva del Garda his grandfather Pietro and uncles were ‘red communists’ to the core,” writes Oggi journalist Giuseppe Fumagalli, likening the family to “Peppone” after a famous fictional Italian communist mayor who fought against an ultraconservative priest known as Don Cammillo and about which a popular television series is based. “But on the other side of the ocean, it’s like his family here doesn’t exist. Instead he draws crowds as the head of the ultraconservative faction of the Republican party, against divorce, gay marriage, abortion, and immigration.”

Those politics don’t play well in Riva del Garda, a community of ultraliberals. On the campaign trail, Santorum often touts his grandfather’s flight from Italy “to escape fascism,” but he has neglected to publicly mention their close ties with the Italian Communist Party. “Rick’s grandfather Pietro was a liberal man and he understood right away what was happening in Italy,” Mrs. Santorum told Oggi. “He was anti-fascist to the extreme, and the political climate in 1925 was stifling so he left for America. After a few years he returned to Italy with his wife and children, including Aldo, Rick’s father, who passed away late last year. It’s a shame he won’t have the joy to see his son’s success in his bid for the White House.” She goes on to explain how the family then became pillars of the Communist Party in Italy.

The matriarch lauds her distant relative as a “masterpiece” of the family, whom she calls a man of high intelligence and integrity. “He would be a great president,” she told Oggi. “But if he wants to make it, he will have to soften some of his positions. To take a stand against homosexuality or to oppose divorce is harmful. Principles count, but in politics one must have the capacity to be open-minded.”

The Oggi piece also quotes an angry cousin who preferred to voice his dissent anonymously, remembering the time when high-ranking Communist Party members frequented the Santorum household in Riva del Garda. “There are Santorums who would roll over in their graves to hear [Rick’s] rhetoric,” he said.

But the rest of the family seems content to turn a blind eye to their American cousin’s political persuasion. One cousin, Michela Santorum, told Oggi that she fondly remembers Rick’s interest in his Italian heritage, and especially Italian cuisine. “We were always astonished at how many ice cubes he put in his drinks,” Michela told Oggi. “But he loved everything else, including polenta.”

According to Oggi, the general sentiment is that the Italian Santorums will forgive their American cousin if his bid is successful. “When he wins, he will send the American presidential airplane and take all the Santorums to the White House,” Bruno Santorum told the magazine.

But after Santorum’s loss in New Hampshire and his recent slump in the polls, the question of whether he would bring his communist cousins to his ultraconservative White House may never be tested.
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Watch it. The truth about WMD's in Iraq and why we went in doesn't sit well with the Bush haters on here. You should see the names I've been called for supporting Bush and Blairs decision to go into Iraq.
LOL I know. I don't see how hard it is to fathom that there is bad intel all the time. Some on greater scales than the other but none the less wrong/half true/misinterpritations happen all the time. Thats just what happens.
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LOL I know. I don't see how hard it is to fathom that there is bad intel all the time. Some on greater scales than the other but none the less wrong/half true/misinterpritations happen all the time. Thats just what happens.
Just so happens that this bad intel cost us over almost 10 years of war, 4500 troop lives and about a trillion dollars in wasted spending.
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Just so happens that this bad intel cost us over almost 10 years of war, 4500 troop lives and about a trillion dollars in wasted spending.
Stuff happens that you and I dont have any control over. This being one of them.

Not to undermind the deaths of our troops (me being one) but....4500 is a fraction when comparing to any other wars in the past with half of the 10 years of conflict.

I would see the Trillion dollars being spent towards the improvent of our forces and not wasted. Lets not talk about how the government is overcharged for just about everything, trust me it makes me sick to see the **** we pay for which could be aqcuired at a much less price if it were'nt known it was for the government, because that is a different subject.
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Stuff happens that you and I dont have any control over. This being one of them.

Not to undermind the deaths of our troops (me being one) but....4500 is a fraction when comparing to any other wars in the past with half of the 10 years of conflict.

I would see the Trillion dollars being spent towards the improvent of our forces and not wasted. Lets not talk about how the government is overcharged for just about everything, trust me it makes me sick to see the **** we pay for which could be aqcuired at a much less price if it were'nt known it was for the government, because that is a different subject.
Funny, I would rather see the Trillion dollars being spent on something that would benefit the citizens of this country like healthcare, infrastructure, R&D, creating jobs...Spending a trillion dollars on a needless war only depletes our military resources and exhausting our troops. But I suppose you love going out on your 6th, 8th, or 20th deployment.
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Funny, I would rather see the Trillion dollars being spent on something that would benefit the citizens of this country like healthcare, infrastructure, R&D, creating jobs...Spending a trillion dollars on a needless war only depletes our military resources and exhausting our troops. But I suppose you love going out on your 6th, 8th, or 20th deployment.
Alot of troops dont mind deploying often.

Question.

You really think if we hadnt of went to war, then the trillion dollars would have went to something good? Or would we just be 1 trillion less in debt?

A few of the posters in the politics section think too much 'if the world were perfect"
The ideals you portray sound good in theory "sometimes" but will clearly NOT work in the REAL world.

When will the masses wake up and realize the world we live in is unfair and unjust?
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What's the real world? One where we end up sacraficing 4500 lives and 1 trillion dollars on the word of ONE guy? "Curveball".

I don't know but if we didn't go into Iraq, we wouldn't have wasted 1 trillion and I'm pretty sure we'd have the lives of our 4500 troops still.
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Alot of troops dont mind deploying often.
I'm willing to bet the majority do mind.

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You really think if we hadnt of went to war, then the trillion dollars would have went to something good? Or would we just be 1 trillion less in debt?
You're right. The reality would be that we'd be 1 trillion less in debt and have a lot less casualties. Which is still 4,484 times better than wasting $1 trillion away in the desert.

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A few of the posters in the politics section think too much 'if the world were perfect"
The ideals you portray sound good in theory "sometimes" but will clearly NOT work in the REAL world.

When will the masses wake up and realize the world we live in is unfair and unjust?
FDR put that spending to good use in the REAL world.
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