Sedan AT vs Coupe MT

[redlude97]

So you had a reflash, and you raced two 6mt's, one a coupe and one sedan, and you beat the sedan by .1 second? Not a huge difference IMO, and the faster trap of the 6mt suggests it should be faster and was limited by the 60ft time. Basically came down to drivers IMO.

[OCG35]

Originally Posted by Klubbheads

Don't forget the mods that u had on the car. And the 6MTs that u raced, mine and wallys only had plenum/spacer and exhaust. Stock for stock 6MT is going to be faster i can guarantee it if driven by someone that will take less than a second to shift.

Man u are getting me fired up for the next cali speedway event.

you had intake too... at the time the mods you and Wally had were all I had + ECU - I'm fired up too!!! Bring it! I have two vids of our runs - I can always use more!!!!

BTW, I didn't call anyone out... just commented on the guy that said it was driver that won the race... The vid was posted on you tube so the myth about AT not holding a candle to MT could be corrected... I'll gladly continue to prove it.

Stock vs stock???? I don’t know and don’t care - who the hell races stock? I figure if someone is interested in racing they are going to do what it takes to make the car as fast as they are able... The OP posted a vid that clearly are 2 cars that are not stock... why does stock vs stock keep coming up?

[Klubbheads]

Originally Posted by OCG35

you had intake too... at the time the mods you and Wally had were all I had + ECU - I'm fired up too!!! Bring it! I have two vids of our runs - I can always use more!!!!

BTW, I didn't call anyone out... just commented on the guy that said it was driver that won the race... The vid was posted on you tube so the myth about AT not holding a candle to MT could be corrected... I'll gladly continue to prove it.

Stock vs stock???? I don’t know and don’t care - who the hell races stock? I figure if someone is interested in racing they are going to do what it takes to make the car as fast as they are able... The OP posted a vid that clearly are 2 cars that are not stock... why does stock vs stock keep coming up?

If u are up for it i will cancel the canyon run and we can do it on the 27th of this month.

BTW can u send me those vids?

[OCG35]

Originally Posted by redlude97

So you had a reflash, and you raced two 6mt's, one a coupe and one sedan, and you beat the sedan by .1 second? Not a huge difference IMO, and the faster trap of the 6mt suggests it should be faster and was limited by the 60ft time. Basically came down to drivers IMO.

not sure where you got the numbers from but there was more than 1 race against the sedan... I will look up slips when I get home... As far as 60' time - mine suffers tremendously due to off idle launch at 650rpm - so there is no advantage to me there... It truly is the car winning the races, not the driver.

[OCG35]

Originally Posted by Klubbheads

If u are up for it i will cancel the canyon run and we can do it on the 27th of this month.

BTW can u send me those vids?

Rookie posted them in the regional thread from the event... I'm not at home so I don't have access now - If I remember I'll PM them to you tonight... but you can find them now in the forum from that CA Speedway day (I forget the date, I think it was April)

I'm listed as possible for this Sat in Fontana... I am out of town Wed-Fri and don’t get back till late Friday night... I won't know till day of if I am going - it all depends on how burned out I am... I plan to go in Nov and Dec for sure and we are looking into having Lawrence bring his smoker and KBBQ - so that will be one not to miss... plus, maybe you'll have your new clutch by then.

[Skaterbasist]

Mike, if I remember, Wally also never had anything great going for his 60ft (with the exception of his few runs with DR's which weren't against you). IIRC, they were always in the 2.2-2.3 range. Personally, I always saw this match as a drivers race, seeing how they were both usually modded equally.

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[OCG35]

Originally Posted by skaterbasist

Mike, if I remember, Wally also never had anything great going for his 60ft (with the exception of his few runs with DR's which weren't against you). IIRC, they were always in the 2.2-2.3 range. Personally, I always saw this match as a drivers race, seeing how they were both usually modded equally.

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I know - I was responding to the post that mentioned the coupes bad 60' letting him know mine could be much better too... The funny thing about Wally is he sometimes puts together a perfect launch at Irwindale - I think he might have broken 2.0 once or twice... or at least right at 2.0... my best 60' has been 2.1+ at Irwindale - but again, that’s off idle... once I get some tricks taken care of and can launch at 2500 (without the issue I encounter) I will feel much more comfortable... and I think the ETs will be much better as well.

[Jeff92se]

What is the issue you encounter that forces you to launch at 650 rpm? I think that's the first I've read about this.

[Skaterbasist]

Originally Posted by Heymanisth

I would like to apologize, your car beat the 6mt coupe and it was faster, I assumed the cars were both unmodified and still in factory trim. In factory trim the 6mt coupe would have the advantage over the automatic four door; Nissan/Infinity wanted it that way.
On my original comments I didn't take into consideration modifications, I assumed wrongly that the driver of the 6mt was as fault.

If you go year by year, coupe vs sedan, mt for mt, and at for at, both should perform about the same. It's not a sedan vs coupe thing

One common mistake is to think that the sedan is slower than the coupe; like I said, its not a coupe vs sedan thing.

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[Klubbheads]

Originally Posted by Heymanisth

It is a horsepower to the pavement thing verses weight. The coupe always comes from the factory with more horses under the hood than it's sedan counterpart but the manual Trans does weigh more.

Manuals are more efficient than automatics and that fact is indisputable. This is due to the way an automatic transmission works. Manual will "eat up" less ponies than the automatic.

From a horsepower prospective - 1) Manual is better than auto 2) Coupe has more factory horses than the sedan.

So ithe manual coupe should have a real advantage over an automatic sedan.

Just like skater said, this has nothing do to coupe vs sedan comparison. As far as that goes, that topic has been beaten to death since the year 2003. Now i see u joined the forum this year, so my suggestion would be, go open up old threads and look at the dyno comparison starting 2003 and ending 2007 for coupe and the sedan before u post inaccurate information.

[redlude97]

Originally Posted by OCG35

not sure where you got the numbers from but there was more than 1 race against the sedan... I will look up slips when I get home... As far as 60' time - mine suffers tremendously due to off idle launch at 650rpm - so there is no advantage to me there... It truly is the car winning the races, not the driver.

It was based off this info

Originally Posted by Klubbheads

dont think he had the FD back then. But his most significant gain was the TS reflash, on top of his mods. And after i got mine tune done now i understand why his car was so quick. My time was 14.3 and his was 14.2. At one 1/8 mile he was trapping about 1 or 2 mph higher but at the end on one of the runs i think i was trapping 98 and he was trapping 97, which means if the race continued on i was going to pass him all because of crappy gearing ratios of the stock automatic car. His car was the only automatic even modified coupe or sedan that i had ever lost to.

Next time when we go with OCG35 I am gonna make sure it gets taped.

[OCG35]

Originally Posted by redlude97

It was based off this info

yeah, I saw Vlad's post after I posted... I'll check the slips at home - I'm sure he's correct about one of the 2 or 3 races... I'm not here to call anyone out - they are friends I race with... but I'll respond

[OCG35]

here is the breakdown of the 3 races (FWIT I hit the rev limiter 2nd to 3rd every time - it was one of those things were the more you try not to do something the more it happens... I redline at 7200 and was shifting around 6800-6900 but the lag took me to limitier every time. It neve happens any other time - not sure why it kept happening that day. Anyway - the temps were decent, but this track is 1121.27 ft above sea level:

AT sedan vs MT sedan
60' - 2.271---2.346
1/8 - 9.418---9.570
1/4 - 14.484---14.669
MPH - 97.61---98.03

race 2
AT Sedan vs MT Sedan
60' - 2.251---2.274
1/8 - 9.350---9.405
1/4 - 14.390---14.472
MPH - 98.13---98.57

race 3
AT Sedan vs MT Coupe
60' - 2.281---2.473
1/8 - 9.389---9.645
1/4 - 14.436---14.693
MPH - 97.96---97.67

[OCG35]

Originally Posted by Klubbheads

If u are up for it i will cancel the canyon run and we can do it on the 27th of this month.

BTW can u send me those vids?

Vlad, I just looked up the CA Speedway sched... I thought there would be Street Legals in Nov - there is not! After this Sat Dec 1st is the only one... I'm targeting the 12/1 event to try and have Lawrence do the BBQ thing - but now that I know there aren’t many left this year I will probably try harder to get there this Sat!

I just look at my travel itinerary and I actually get in earlier Fri night than I though so I'm hoping to not be as burned out as I was thinking... depends on how grueling the biz trip is. Also I fly in from Reno thru Vegas to OC... so there is always a chance that I miss the plane in Vegas oops

Did you find the vids?

[Klubbheads]

^no i could not find them.