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YES! u should...Originally Posted by IQ9
Law enforcement has to request the data they want to see and hope they get it. The information on your vehicle is NOT public knowledge as you own the vehicle and the data is yours. The manufactureer can use the data for evaluation/warr. of their product lines. Once the vehicle is sold the manufactureer is not involved in its use-lawful or unlawful. Why should your info/data be given freely? Shouldn't you have the say so on your where and to whom your info/data goes?
....anyone know the exact data/measurements they can remove from the edr or any other data recorder in our cars?? the article i read stated the edr can read deceleration, braking distance, seatbelt, and speed 20 seconds prior to crash< which didnt make sense to me sigh
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YES! u should...Originally Posted by IQ9
Law enforcement has to request the data they want to see and hope they get it. The information on your vehicle is NOT public knowledge as you own the vehicle and the data is yours. The manufactureer can use the data for evaluation/warr. of their product lines. Once the vehicle is sold the manufactureer is not involved in its use-lawful or unlawful. Why should your info/data be given freely? Shouldn't you have the say so on your where and to whom your info/data goes?
....anyone know the exact data/measurements they can remove from the edr or any other data recorder in our cars?? the article i read stated the edr can read deceleration, braking distance, seatbelt, and speed 20 seconds prior to crash< which didnt make sense to me sigh
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YES! u should...Originally Posted by IQ9
Law enforcement has to request the data they want to see and hope they get it. The information on your vehicle is NOT public knowledge as you own the vehicle and the data is yours. The manufactureer can use the data for evaluation/warr. of their product lines. Once the vehicle is sold the manufactureer is not involved in its use-lawful or unlawful. Why should your info/data be given freely? Shouldn't you have the say so on your where and to whom your info/data goes?
....anyone know the exact data/measurements they can remove from the edr or any other data recorder in our cars?? the article i read stated the edr can read deceleration, braking distance, seatbelt, and speed 20 seconds prior to crash< which didnt make sense to me sigh
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I know some American and German makes feature this. But I've not read anything that leads me to believe Nissan/Infiniti have these.
You CAN datalog these things. But you have to buy the equipment and software to access the OBDII port
You CAN datalog these things. But you have to buy the equipment and software to access the OBDII port
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....anyone know the exact data/measurements they can remove from the edr or any other data recorder in our cars?? the article i read stated the edr can read deceleration, braking distance, seatbelt, and speed 20 seconds prior to crash< which didnt make sense to me sigh
You're paranoid, get off the meth.Originally Posted by chobble19
YES! u should.......anyone know the exact data/measurements they can remove from the edr or any other data recorder in our cars?? the article i read stated the edr can read deceleration, braking distance, seatbelt, and speed 20 seconds prior to crash< which didnt make sense to me sigh
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EDR are the size of your hand, maybe even smaller depending on the car company, in the event of a crash, any law enforcement agency can hook up their modem like device ( since most likely they will impound your car ) and convert the data into readable data giving away the last 20 seconds of the vehicle such as speed, if you had your seatbelt on, if you applied your brakes, ect ect...the more luxurious your car is the more the EDR will record...Our G's record about 10-13 safety features and events that happen within the last 16 to 20 seconds....i believe in Time magazine there is an article on this specific subject....
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EDR are the size of your hand, maybe even smaller depending on the car company, in the event of a crash, any law enforcement agency can hook up their modem like device ( since most likely they will impound your car ) and convert the data into readable data giving away the last 20 seconds of the vehicle such as speed, if you had your seatbelt on, if you applied your brakes, ect ect...the more luxurious your car is the more the EDR will record...Our G's record about 10-13 safety features and events that happen within the last 16 to 20 seconds....i believe in Time magazine there is an article on this specific subject....
thanks for the info! .... some people cant handle it
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Where is it on the G? From my research Nissan/Infiniti haven't installed these.
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EDR are the size of your hand, maybe even smaller depending on the car company, in the event of a crash, any law enforcement agency can hook up their modem like device ( since most likely they will impound your car ) and convert the data into readable data giving away the last 20 seconds of the vehicle such as speed, if you had your seatbelt on, if you applied your brakes, ect ect...the more luxurious your car is the more the EDR will record...Our G's record about 10-13 safety features and events that happen within the last 16 to 20 seconds....i believe in Time magazine there is an article on this specific subject....
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Guys, cool down. There was a big article in Autoweek Magazine about a year or so ago about EDR's. True, nearly all automakers install them nowadays, but Nissan/Infiniti was one of the few that does not. In fact, Nissan Corp. went on record as saying they opposed EDR's because they violated driver's rights, and they had no plans of ever installing them on any of their vehicles.
No worries. Again, one of the reasons why I like our cars is the old school engineering that minimizes electronic aides and gadgets and allows us to still change our own oil!
No worries. Again, one of the reasons why I like our cars is the old school engineering that minimizes electronic aides and gadgets and allows us to still change our own oil!
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No worries. Again, one of the reasons why I like our cars is the old school engineering that minimizes electronic aides and gadgets and allows us to still change our own oil!
You happen to have a link to the article online? I'm sure by now every maker uses it.Originally Posted by MiamiG35sedan
Guys, cool down. There was a big article in Autoweek Magazine about a year or so ago about EDR's. True, nearly all automakers install them nowadays, but Nissan/Infiniti was one of the few that does not. In fact, Nissan Corp. went on record as saying they opposed EDR's because they violated driver's rights, and they had no plans of ever installing them on any of their vehicles.No worries. Again, one of the reasons why I like our cars is the old school engineering that minimizes electronic aides and gadgets and allows us to still change our own oil!
And, no, I don't know where it'd be located. But even so, these days they're hardwired into your whole electrical system. So unless you feel like basically rebuilding your entire electrical system in your car, you arent getting it out.
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I rencently attended a seminar and sat in on two classes taught by different accident reconstruction engineering firms. They do have a computer that they can connect to certain cars to read the event data, but it is compatible with only some makes.
The data is hard recorded on the EPROM of the air bag module. Once the air bags deploy, these modules have to be replaced. At the most, these modules record a max of about 10 seconds of data, including speed, braking, engine rpm, etc. They also record events that "wake up" the air bag system, like panic stops, that don't actually trigger the air bags, or even a collision that doesn't deply the air bags.
From what they told us, all GM (including Isuzu and Saab since they are GM made) vehicles from around 2001 or so can be read. Also, some Fords, but not all, because whereas GM uses Delphi for all of its air bag modules, Ford has about 10 different sources, so the codes are not all compatible.
Also according to the engineers that taught the class, there may be event data recorders on other makes, but the code is proprietary, and if the modules are installed, the manufacturers aren't releasing the codes so the data can be interpreted. Some manufacturers, I think Honda was used as an example, outright deny that these recorders are installed. MiamiG35Sedan may very well be correct in his statement that Nissan does not install those modules. I don't have any proof of that though.
The data is hard recorded on the EPROM of the air bag module. Once the air bags deploy, these modules have to be replaced. At the most, these modules record a max of about 10 seconds of data, including speed, braking, engine rpm, etc. They also record events that "wake up" the air bag system, like panic stops, that don't actually trigger the air bags, or even a collision that doesn't deply the air bags.
From what they told us, all GM (including Isuzu and Saab since they are GM made) vehicles from around 2001 or so can be read. Also, some Fords, but not all, because whereas GM uses Delphi for all of its air bag modules, Ford has about 10 different sources, so the codes are not all compatible.
Also according to the engineers that taught the class, there may be event data recorders on other makes, but the code is proprietary, and if the modules are installed, the manufacturers aren't releasing the codes so the data can be interpreted. Some manufacturers, I think Honda was used as an example, outright deny that these recorders are installed. MiamiG35Sedan may very well be correct in his statement that Nissan does not install those modules. I don't have any proof of that though.
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For all those who doubt MiamiG35sedan, here you go . . . http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...73253456724896Originally Posted by ChiefyMan
You happen to have a link to the article online?
The salient quote from this article is "Nissan eschews EDRs, relying on an airbag control unit to deploy airbags and record airbag and front seatbelt status. No speed or g-force information is recorded, says spokesman Dean Case. ``We'll meet government requirements, but we're not looking at becoming Big Brother,'' he says."
