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Dozzer Jul 4, 2018 02:39 PM

RPM's on highway, yes I know they are usually high
 
So had my G for about two weeks. The car usually turns about 3.2k at 70 which is as expected. But, on my drive back to Jax this last week I noticed I was turning a lot more than that. About 3.5k indicated at 70 and 3.8-3.9k at 80.
The car was still indicating 22-23mpg so I know the actual RPM had not increased and the trans was not slipping or anything.

I think I read somewhere that the tach's in these cars suck and have caused issues or were inaccurate. I was going to do a ECU reset and all that good stuff when i cleaned the TB's this weekend to see if that made an impact.
I also saw someone replaced a capacitor on the gauge cluster that was causing issues so i might take that apart as well and check it out.

If anyone else has had this issue please let me know your thoughts. I couldn't find any threads with this specific issue.

cleric670 Jul 4, 2018 04:10 PM

Plug in an OBD2 scanner and compare the data being sent for RPM to what's actually being displayed. This will get you pointed in the right direction because if the ECU is displaying the same RPM as the tach then you might be experiencing early failure of a crank position sensor that the tach gets it's data from.

cleric670 Jul 4, 2018 04:13 PM

Also, those rpm readings are SUPER high, my 6MT pulls about 3k at 80mph and the 5AT should be like 500 rpm lower than a 6MT. Are you SURE you don't have tranny slippage because that's usually how it happens in an automatic transmission, rpms start to climb and eventually get higher and higher until the clutch plates or brake sleeves are completely worn off then it just free-revs while in gear if you lost a high gear clutch pack, it feels like a CVT if you lost a brake sleeve, otherwise you get a turbine revolution error code if it's a lower gear clutch pack.

Higher gears are more prone to this type of wear because they have to move the vehicle without the assistance of gear reduction on the lower gears.

Triton3.5 Jul 4, 2018 04:17 PM

You didn't say if you had an X, or a manuel tranny, on my 07 X it turns over at approx., 3 grand at 70 mph, 3800 or 3900 seems a bit high, for 80 mph, ( but my car runs so good I don't pay any attention to that) in top gear, the mpg is not a good gauge of any drivetrain quirks.... anyway, there should NEVER be any diff in rpm's at any given speed, ( with a manual) and unless ur towing, not much diff with the 5 speed auto either....

Dozzer Jul 4, 2018 08:01 PM

Forgot to say that the car is a 5AT and not an X

I had to order a new ob2 scanner as mine does not want to work so I will check that soon.

The auto rpms are higher than the manual rpms FYI. Not lower. OD on the auto is like .84 while it’s like .75 I believe or about on the 6MT. Only mentioning since it was brought up.

Will update once I get the scanner on Friday or if something changes when I drive it next. Off for a few days so probably won’t be driving it.

cleric670 Jul 4, 2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dozzer (Post 7143447)
The auto rpms are higher than the manual rpms FYI. Not lower. OD on the auto is like .84 while it’s like .75 I believe or about on the 6MT.

Whoops, didn't see which subsection this was, didn't realize you have an HR equipped sedan. Yeah your FD is 3.7 so I have no idea what your cruising rpm should be.

cleric670 Jul 4, 2018 09:10 PM

Ok, here's the math on where you should be at for cruising rpm.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/g35driv...25f5b3808b.jpg

Dozzer Jul 4, 2018 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cleric670@gmail (Post 7143453)
Ok, here's the math on where you should be at for cruising rpm.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/g35driv...25f5b3808b.jpg

thanks for that. I was trying to find all the numbers to do the calculations and got sidetracked and forgot about it.
im gonna go take the car for a drive soon and check it again.
i would be able to hear a difference of 800 rpm I would think compared to normal.
plus the tach will jump around about 100-200 rpms sometimes at idle without the engine changing rpm which makes me think even more it’s the cluster.

cleric670 Jul 4, 2018 09:14 PM

Either way the ECU will output the correct data being observed from the CKP, the only difference in the HR equipped vehicles is instead of the signal being directly received by the instrument cluster via CAN it goes through the AC control amp first.

cleric670 Jul 4, 2018 09:17 PM

If the tach jumps around but you can't tell a difference in rpm it's probably a failing stepper motor on the instrument cluster unfortunately, definitely troubleshoot though by checking the rpm with the OBD2 scanner when you get it.

Dozzer Jul 4, 2018 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cleric670@gmail (Post 7143456)
Either way the ECU will output the correct data being observed from the CKP, the only difference in the HR equipped vehicles is instead of the signal being directly received by the instrument cluster via CAN it goes through the AC control amp first.

i will be able to verify it Friday.
it could be getting the correct CAN signal to the cluster but some of the internal electronics in the cluster could be degraded.
i read about one with an 06 v35 cluster that had a leaking capacitor cause an issue that affected something similar.
not sure if the v36 operates in a similar manner though.

Dozzer Jul 4, 2018 10:14 PM

Just took a cruise and everything worked normal. 3200-3250 at 80. Still going to check the OBD scanner and keep it handy for If the issue shows up again.

cleric670 Jul 5, 2018 12:06 AM

That's good, the instrument cluster isn't exactly cheap. Do you think maybe you had it in manumatic mode and were in 4th gear? That would make a lot of sense since that puts your rpms at about 4k.

Dozzer Jul 5, 2018 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cleric670@gmail (Post 7143461)
That's good, the instrument cluster isn't exactly cheap. Do you think maybe you had it in manumatic mode and were in 4th gear? That would make a lot of sense since that puts your rpms at about 4k.

no I tried switching it to manual and making sure it was in fifth. Then I went through and made sure it actually was shifting into all five gears from a stop and it was.

It hadn’t acted unusual in anyway except the needle being off which is why I was so puzzled. If it does end up being the cluster I will tear it apart and see if I can fix it.

Hall Stevenson Jul 8, 2018 06:39 PM

I read this thread a couple of days ago and tried to make note of different RPMs at different speeds. The only one I remember was 80mph and around 3250 rpm (using the tachometer so that value is 'fuzzy', sorry). According to that calculator above, it shows 3118 rpm so I call it "close enough". I'm going to double-check the input values to make sure they match my car now....


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