2006 G35 idle stumble/misfire
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2006 G35 idle stumble/misfire
I'm having a drivability issue with my 2006 G35 coupe 5AT with 150,000 km.
While idling it will stumble/misfires. It doesn't always do it, but it has been increasing in frequency. With the engine under load and cruising around 65-70 km/h you can definitely feel an unevenness and the car will shutter/stumble slightly. Other times it is perfectly smooth and there is no issue at all.
No check engine light is illuminated. Spark plugs were changed around 45,000 km ago. I cleaned the throttle body today as there was quite a bit of carbon built-up. I had an assistant depress the throttle pedal with the ignition on/engine off so as to not move the throttle plate manually by hand, as I heard they can be quite finicky. I also cleaned the MAF sensor.
After I put everything back together I had a check engine light and the code was P0113, intake air temp circuit high. I am not sure if this is due to the MAF being unplugged while I was cleaning it or something else. I cleared the code and it has not come back on, but the idle stumble/misfire is still present.
I am not sure where to go from here. I have a basic code reader that provides live data, but I am not sure how to interpret the data. From what I can understand the intake temp sensor is built into the MAF sensor. A new MAF is only $100 but I want to carry out some other basic tests before going that route.
I am thinking also maybe a bad coil pack, but shouldn't that throw a code for cylinder misfire? From what I can hear, the stumble is more pronounced from the left side exhaust. Is there an easy way to test/inspect the coil pack?
While idling it will stumble/misfires. It doesn't always do it, but it has been increasing in frequency. With the engine under load and cruising around 65-70 km/h you can definitely feel an unevenness and the car will shutter/stumble slightly. Other times it is perfectly smooth and there is no issue at all.
No check engine light is illuminated. Spark plugs were changed around 45,000 km ago. I cleaned the throttle body today as there was quite a bit of carbon built-up. I had an assistant depress the throttle pedal with the ignition on/engine off so as to not move the throttle plate manually by hand, as I heard they can be quite finicky. I also cleaned the MAF sensor.
After I put everything back together I had a check engine light and the code was P0113, intake air temp circuit high. I am not sure if this is due to the MAF being unplugged while I was cleaning it or something else. I cleared the code and it has not come back on, but the idle stumble/misfire is still present.
I am not sure where to go from here. I have a basic code reader that provides live data, but I am not sure how to interpret the data. From what I can understand the intake temp sensor is built into the MAF sensor. A new MAF is only $100 but I want to carry out some other basic tests before going that route.
I am thinking also maybe a bad coil pack, but shouldn't that throw a code for cylinder misfire? From what I can hear, the stumble is more pronounced from the left side exhaust. Is there an easy way to test/inspect the coil pack?
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EGR can also cause similar issues. On Honda engines, it is very common for the passages to the EGR to get clogged and cause those exact symptoms. Not sure if it is an issue with the VQ engines though. Easy check, cap off the port to the EGR and put a screw or golf tee in the hose to disable the system. You'll get a CEL but if the stumbling stops you know where the problem is.
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I'm having a drivability issue with my 2006 G35 coupe 5AT with 150,000 km.
While idling it will stumble/misfires. It doesn't always do it, but it has been increasing in frequency. With the engine under load and cruising around 65-70 km/h you can definitely feel an unevenness and the car will shutter/stumble slightly. Other times it is perfectly smooth and there is no issue at all.
No check engine light is illuminated. Spark plugs were changed around 45,000 km ago. I cleaned the throttle body today as there was quite a bit of carbon built-up. I had an assistant depress the throttle pedal with the ignition on/engine off so as to not move the throttle plate manually by hand, as I heard they can be quite finicky. I also cleaned the MAF sensor.
After I put everything back together I had a check engine light and the code was P0113, intake air temp circuit high. I am not sure if this is due to the MAF being unplugged while I was cleaning it or something else. I cleared the code and it has not come back on, but the idle stumble/misfire is still present.
I am not sure where to go from here. I have a basic code reader that provides live data, but I am not sure how to interpret the data. From what I can understand the intake temp sensor is built into the MAF sensor. A new MAF is only $100 but I want to carry out some other basic tests before going that route.
I am thinking also maybe a bad coil pack, but shouldn't that throw a code for cylinder misfire? From what I can hear, the stumble is more pronounced from the left side exhaust. Is there an easy way to test/inspect the coil pack?
While idling it will stumble/misfires. It doesn't always do it, but it has been increasing in frequency. With the engine under load and cruising around 65-70 km/h you can definitely feel an unevenness and the car will shutter/stumble slightly. Other times it is perfectly smooth and there is no issue at all.
No check engine light is illuminated. Spark plugs were changed around 45,000 km ago. I cleaned the throttle body today as there was quite a bit of carbon built-up. I had an assistant depress the throttle pedal with the ignition on/engine off so as to not move the throttle plate manually by hand, as I heard they can be quite finicky. I also cleaned the MAF sensor.
After I put everything back together I had a check engine light and the code was P0113, intake air temp circuit high. I am not sure if this is due to the MAF being unplugged while I was cleaning it or something else. I cleared the code and it has not come back on, but the idle stumble/misfire is still present.
I am not sure where to go from here. I have a basic code reader that provides live data, but I am not sure how to interpret the data. From what I can understand the intake temp sensor is built into the MAF sensor. A new MAF is only $100 but I want to carry out some other basic tests before going that route.
I am thinking also maybe a bad coil pack, but shouldn't that throw a code for cylinder misfire? From what I can hear, the stumble is more pronounced from the left side exhaust. Is there an easy way to test/inspect the coil pack?
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I would start replacing coils you can get import direct from O Reilly’s for about 50 each lifetime warranty. I had a misfire at idle for a while not bad enough to throw code. Replaced several parts ended up being bad coil replaced all of them cause 170k and they were original.
If it does end up being a bad coil pack, is Hitachi a trusted brand? They are about $50 each from Amazon.
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I looked at the FSM and it says to test resistance between centre and outer pin of each coil. If 0, that is good, correct? Is it advisable to replace all coils at the same time instead of individually as they fail?
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Yes and No, mostly depends on how many miles are on them. Typically I won't go replacing all of them unless they have like 150k on them or you have had multiple failures.
Or if they show ANY signs of damage, blistering on the epoxy resin encapsulation (black shiny part on top), scorching of the spark plug well tube shaft, corrosion on the contact spring inside the spark plug well tube shaft, etc.
Or if they show ANY signs of damage, blistering on the epoxy resin encapsulation (black shiny part on top), scorching of the spark plug well tube shaft, corrosion on the contact spring inside the spark plug well tube shaft, etc.
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Yes and No, mostly depends on how many miles are on them. Typically I won't go replacing all of them unless they have like 150k on them or you have had multiple failures.
Or if they show ANY signs of damage, blistering on the epoxy resin encapsulation (black shiny part on top), scorching of the spark plug well tube shaft, corrosion on the contact spring inside the spark plug well tube shaft, etc.
Or if they show ANY signs of damage, blistering on the epoxy resin encapsulation (black shiny part on top), scorching of the spark plug well tube shaft, corrosion on the contact spring inside the spark plug well tube shaft, etc.
I checked the resistance between inner and outer terminals. I checked all the coils on the driver's side and all were all showing resistance between 1.700 - 2.400. I think that means they are bad? FSM isn't quite clear but states it should either be 0 or infinity. Didn't bother to pull the passenger side coils. I am just going to replace all 6, but looks like I will be doing valve covers as well.
Are there any aftermarket covers that work okay? Factory ones are pricey. With the covers and coils I am going to be in it for over $1000 in parts alone.
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I checked the coils today. Cylinder 2 and 6 had oil in the wells.
I checked the resistance between inner and outer terminals. I checked all the coils on the driver's side and all were all showing resistance between 1.700 - 2.400. I think that means they are bad? FSM isn't quite clear but states it should either be 0 or infinity. Didn't bother to pull the passenger side coils. I am just going to replace all 6, but looks like I will be doing valve covers as well.
Are there any aftermarket covers that work okay? Factory ones are pricey. With the covers and coils I am going to be in it for over $1000 in parts alone.
I checked the resistance between inner and outer terminals. I checked all the coils on the driver's side and all were all showing resistance between 1.700 - 2.400. I think that means they are bad? FSM isn't quite clear but states it should either be 0 or infinity. Didn't bother to pull the passenger side coils. I am just going to replace all 6, but looks like I will be doing valve covers as well.
Are there any aftermarket covers that work okay? Factory ones are pricey. With the covers and coils I am going to be in it for over $1000 in parts alone.
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Take the leads on your digital multimeter and touch them together, whatever the meter reads when you do that is what you should have for a resistance reading on the coil packs.
Some DMM's don't actually display ZERO, some only display 1 ohm resistance or 0.50 or whatever. If you have resistance (looks like you do) then that affects the coil packs ability to deliver proper voltage to the spark plug. Basically you end up with weaker spark the more resistance you have.
Surface corrosion on the pins in the harness can GREATLY affect this reading though, use electrical contact cleaner (read the can make sure it's safe for plastic) on the pins and try measuring resistance again.
Some DMM's don't actually display ZERO, some only display 1 ohm resistance or 0.50 or whatever. If you have resistance (looks like you do) then that affects the coil packs ability to deliver proper voltage to the spark plug. Basically you end up with weaker spark the more resistance you have.
Surface corrosion on the pins in the harness can GREATLY affect this reading though, use electrical contact cleaner (read the can make sure it's safe for plastic) on the pins and try measuring resistance again.
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Quick update. I checked the coils again, confirming the terminal were clean and still got resistance on a few of the coil packs.
Since I had oil in two of the spark plug tubes, I went ahead and replaced the valve covers and gaskets along with the coil packs.
Unfortunately, I am still getting a stumble at idle and when the engine is under load around 1500-2000 RPM. I pulled the MAF and although it still stumbled, it was noticeably smoother. Is this an indication of a bad MAF or is it just the ECU compensating to base value due to no MAF?
I got codes P102, P103 and P0113 which I was able to clear. I do remember seeing a P0113 for intake air temp sensor circuit high a few months back when I cleaned the MAF sensor. No CEL was lit at the time so it was not a hard code. Just wondering if the IAT has something to do with this. I looked at the FSM and it shows the IAT is part of the MAF and is not a separate sensor.
I have a basic code reader that shows live data but I am not sure how to interpret or further diagnose since there is no CEL currently being set from the misfire/stumble at this time.
Since I had oil in two of the spark plug tubes, I went ahead and replaced the valve covers and gaskets along with the coil packs.
Unfortunately, I am still getting a stumble at idle and when the engine is under load around 1500-2000 RPM. I pulled the MAF and although it still stumbled, it was noticeably smoother. Is this an indication of a bad MAF or is it just the ECU compensating to base value due to no MAF?
I got codes P102, P103 and P0113 which I was able to clear. I do remember seeing a P0113 for intake air temp sensor circuit high a few months back when I cleaned the MAF sensor. No CEL was lit at the time so it was not a hard code. Just wondering if the IAT has something to do with this. I looked at the FSM and it shows the IAT is part of the MAF and is not a separate sensor.
I have a basic code reader that shows live data but I am not sure how to interpret or further diagnose since there is no CEL currently being set from the misfire/stumble at this time.