any trouble spots at 60K? (to use extended warranty)
#16
11-19-2014, 12:52 PM
My last car was a '92 Q45, the 90-93 Q's had a problem with the timing chain guides breaking well after the warranty ran out (in most cases). The original guides were plastic and the updated parts were metal. If they broke the repair was very costly, but Infiniti never offered to help.
Basically, if there's a design defect that only shows up out of warranty, Infiniti won't care. You could probably say the same for other manufacturers too.
Basically, if there's a design defect that only shows up out of warranty, Infiniti won't care. You could probably say the same for other manufacturers too.
Infiniti should do at least a hidden warranty for the issue.
#17
04-07-2015, 11:33 AM
Update: asked the independent shop in Atlanta (T3) about the oil gallery gaskets and they said it's more common in '07 models but that the '08 models *may* have updated parts. The initial symptom is the oil light flickering. They charge about $1000 to fix depending on the number of hours.
Asked the dealer too and the service adviser said he's only see 3 of them and that there's no way to fix under the warranty unless it breaks (understandable). He also said a general oil pressure test may not find it, that you have to test the oil pressure at the tensioner (that part over my head......).
But my AC compressor recently started getting a little noisy at times, and getting that replaced now. The warranty was $1250 w/$100 deductible, so I'm sure the AC is much more than that. So getting my money's worth out of the warranty!
Asked the dealer too and the service adviser said he's only see 3 of them and that there's no way to fix under the warranty unless it breaks (understandable). He also said a general oil pressure test may not find it, that you have to test the oil pressure at the tensioner (that part over my head......).
But my AC compressor recently started getting a little noisy at times, and getting that replaced now. The warranty was $1250 w/$100 deductible, so I'm sure the AC is much more than that. So getting my money's worth out of the warranty!
#18
04-07-2015, 12:03 PM
Update: asked the independent shop in Atlanta (T3) about the oil gallery gaskets and they said it's more common in '07 models but that the '08 models *may* have updated parts. The initial symptom is the oil light flickering. They charge about $1000 to fix depending on the number of hours.
Asked the dealer too and the service adviser said he's only see 3 of them and that there's no way to fix under the warranty unless it breaks (understandable). He also said a general oil pressure test may not find it, that you have to test the oil pressure at the tensioner (that part over my head......).
But my AC compressor recently started getting a little noisy at times, and getting that replaced now. The warranty was $1250 w/$100 deductible, so I'm sure the AC is much more than that. So getting my money's worth out of the warranty!
There is no updated gasket in the '08. The failures have been reported clear up to the 2011 model year. The current revised gasket wasn't issued until 9/2011, so it's really only the 2012 + models that are in the clear.
The initial symptom is NOT a flickering oil light, it is LOW oil pressure, which is detectable with a simple test. The only outwardly visible symptom may be flickering oil light though. Be aware though, when that light comes on it means you have virtually NO oil pressure left. The threshold to trigger the light is just a few pounds. If you wait for that, you may already be doing damage to your motor.
An independent charging 1000 for a discrete gasket repair is plausible, but somewhat on the low side. I suspect their final bill would exceed that.
As I noted above, dealership's will minimize the level of occurrence of these failures (it's called denial), and they most certainly are fixable under warranty and without waiting for a complete failure of engine operation OR even a low oil pressure indicator light. I know this because I did just that! All that is needed is low oil pressure reading on a pressure test and they will be able to start an investigative repair order to determine the cause. Once they open it up and they find the cause (presuming it is the gaskets), they will be covered under warranty provided the warranty is still in effect.
As far as a pressure test not finding it, I call BS. If your pressure is overtly off (i.e. in the low single digits), then you pretty well found it. At that point, there's little reason to require a test at some intermediate location. The FSM is clear: there is a minimum oil pressure specified, and it is to be measured at the sensor port. PERIOD. Now, if you measure the oil pressure and it is right on the borderline of being within spec, it may be harder to know if it is something else causing it, like poor bearing clearances (aka engine wear), which may or may not be covered. At that point, it would be wise to monitor it for further rapid progression, as that is the nature of the gasket symptoms as it literally blows out which increases the size of the leak.
#19
04-07-2015, 08:41 PM
treach, I'm assuming you mean the diff mount bushing and not the CSC (i.e. concentric slave cylinder for the clutch) since relatively few owners have the 6MT tranny. So in that case, yes, it is a potential experience for any V36 sedan owner, regardless of transmission type, since they all share the same diff mounting. I actually don't know how prevalent it is though. I just thought it interesting that duke had mentioned it just then.
It is a funny thing that, as unwarranted as all the repair receipts clearly show it to be, I still regard my car as having been reliable in general, and I actually look forward to many more miles on it since it is now pretty much on "the other side" of all the worst that seems to happen with them. I sure am glad for that Elite warranty though; cost me $1492 for a 7yr/100K mile/$100 deduct. plan, yet it paid out well over $6K in the end. Not bad! (but also not good
)
If I were to get rid of it, the potential cars that are rear-wheel drive, manual transmission, sporty, semi luxurious, visually appealing, and reasonably priced are few and far between. I highly doubt I'd find one with better all around value than what I'm driving right now, SO . . . as much as it pisses me off that my Infiniti has had so much go wrong with it, I will just keep on driving it. However, I won't be purchasing another Infiniti product when I'm done with this one.
It is a funny thing that, as unwarranted as all the repair receipts clearly show it to be, I still regard my car as having been reliable in general, and I actually look forward to many more miles on it since it is now pretty much on "the other side" of all the worst that seems to happen with them. I sure am glad for that Elite warranty though; cost me $1492 for a 7yr/100K mile/$100 deduct. plan, yet it paid out well over $6K in the end. Not bad! (but also not good
)If I were to get rid of it, the potential cars that are rear-wheel drive, manual transmission, sporty, semi luxurious, visually appealing, and reasonably priced are few and far between. I highly doubt I'd find one with better all around value than what I'm driving right now, SO . . . as much as it pisses me off that my Infiniti has had so much go wrong with it, I will just keep on driving it. However, I won't be purchasing another Infiniti product when I'm done with this one.
#20
04-07-2015, 09:44 PM
I think you are over-reacting. It is a small, prehaps tiny, percentage of cars. If it concerns you, get the pressure test done. If it's low, take it to the dealer and don't take no; make them fix it under warranty, as noted above. If you have the Infiniti Elite extended warranty, it will be covered.
#21
04-12-2015, 05:35 AM
#22
04-19-2015, 08:57 AM
So is there a compelling reason to have the oil gallery gaskets replaced in the absence of symptoms or problems? My last car was a '92 Q45 and it had a well known defect of plastic timing chain guides which could crack, causing significant damage. But it only happened at high mileage well out of warranty. So a proactive fix on that was a very good idea (to reduce future repair cost).
The independent shop has two different locations, I'll visit the other location and see what they think.
The independent shop has two different locations, I'll visit the other location and see what they think.
#24
04-19-2015, 01:11 PM
So is there a compelling reason to have the oil gallery gaskets replaced in the absence of symptoms or problems? My last car was a '92 Q45 and it had a well known defect of plastic timing chain guides which could crack, causing significant damage. But it only happened at high mileage well out of warranty. So a proactive fix on that was a very good idea (to reduce future repair cost).
The independent shop has two different locations, I'll visit the other location and see what they think.
The independent shop has two different locations, I'll visit the other location and see what they think.
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