I ordered NEW bulbs off ebay thinking that the one I currently had died. Found out my ballast was DEAD and picked one up from one of the forum members. I have no need for them at the moment and I can sure use the money. I paid like $85 for them. I'm willing to take $80 shipping included. Bulbs are bulbs, if you need pics to see that they are bulbs let me know I'll email them to you.