Audio, Video & Electronics Post questions, reviews, and other general info about the G's Nav, sound system, or satellite radio

Caps/ground kits/ volt stabilizer

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
  #1  
Old 06-03-2008, 04:49 PM
GD-Up's Avatar
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Caps/ground kits/ volt stabilizer

Hi all,

I need some advice. I am running two amps right now and it seems that the car is a little sluggish when the system is up. I am guessing that the stereo is drawing too much power.
Is a Cap going to help and if so how many Farad ( what ever that is??). I have a pdx 1000 x1 and a pdx 100 x4.
Also a shop told me, forget the cap, go with a better battery and a grounding kit.
And amongst all this I see there is also a voltage stabilizer thinger out there...is that necessary?

What are your thoughts?
 
  #2  
Old 06-03-2008, 05:21 PM
Meatshackle's Avatar
Deep Sea Moderator
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 4,736
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I'm really surprised a shop told you to forget the cap, impressive. Most shops try to sell a cap with every system....cap = more $$$$ for them. Caps can actually put more stress on the electrical system.

Upgrade your "big 3" and you'll be fine. The grounding kit will usually cover at least 2 of the 3 but you don't necessarily need an entire grounding kit. Your battery is probably fine as well but have it tested just in case, free pretty much anywhere.
 
  #3  
Old 06-03-2008, 05:26 PM
GD-Up's Avatar
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You will have to forgive my ignorance...but what are the "big 3" that I should do??
 
  #4  
Old 06-03-2008, 08:23 PM
Gilley's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 8,001
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
An Optima yellow top battery would be a good choice for an upgrade.
 
  #5  
Old 06-03-2008, 08:45 PM
Meatshackle's Avatar
Deep Sea Moderator
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 4,736
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/...TID~73496~PN~1

My Die Hard Gold died on me this weekend. It lasted about 18 months with my system. It was still under warranty (pro-rated) and they would've given me a new one at half price but why replace with another that will give me probs.

We'll see how this Yellow Top does.
 
  #6  
Old 06-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Rocket1991's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
I've got the same amps in my car with no issues. i have a 1.5 Farad cap, and i have not noticed any sluggish performance and no light dimming. What gauge cables did you run for power and ground.
 
  #7  
Old 06-04-2008, 02:35 PM
JEAThirty5's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 129
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I would use a red top but they dont make one for the G so i just got the interstate megatron plus

yellows are made to be drained and recharged but eh, ppl still use them so up to you

just noticed that they do make a red top for G's now :-\ right after i got my interstate too
 
  #8  
Old 06-04-2008, 02:45 PM
Hi-TechG35's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pothole Central and still ridin slammed...Boston
Posts: 15,043
Received 22 Likes on 14 Posts
You will only need a 1 Farad Cap. It is recomended that for every 1000watts you use 1 farad. I used one for my JL Audio 1000.1 and I noticed an instant improvement in my vehicles response.
 
  #9  
Old 06-04-2008, 04:28 PM
sfgr415's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 4,219
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Personally, I am not too crazy about capacitors. I rarely recommend them to my clients.

I would start off with doing the "big 3" upgrade. From there, upgrade to a better battery. If you are still having issues, then possibly a capacitor.
 
  #10  
Old 07-07-2008, 03:23 AM
The Stimulation's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (69)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10,850
Received 158 Likes on 108 Posts
Originally Posted by Meatshackle
I'm really surprised a shop told you to forget the cap, impressive. Most shops try to sell a cap with every system....cap = more $$$$ for them. Caps can actually put more stress on the electrical system.

Upgrade your "big 3" and you'll be fine. The grounding kit will usually cover at least 2 of the 3 but you don't necessarily need an entire grounding kit. Your battery is probably fine as well but have it tested just in case, free pretty much anywhere.
That confused me too. As you said, most shops recommend them when they are useless. I say they are useless because the money you spend can be spent better on a battery. Caps give off current in an instant but how much? Not much, and how quick? Slowly...Discharge rate is horrible compared to batteries. At least you got some ethical shops in your area. BTW, as Meatshackle mentioned, Big 3 is a MUST

Originally Posted by Hi-Tech_G
You will only need a 1 Farad Cap. It is recomended that for every 1000watts you use 1 farad. I used one for my JL Audio 1000.1 and I noticed an instant improvement in my vehicles response.
You don't need it. I ran probably over 20 setups, no joke, in my Accord. Both on a stock alt and HO alternator. Big 3 and a better battery was more cost effective and more efficient. My setups ranged from 1k - 6.5k rms... if you check audio forums, you'll find that people don't really use caps, even the major competitors who are trying to high numbers in terms of SPL. A bank of batteries is what you'll find and for the daily user, a better battery, an HO alt, the Big 3, and possibly an additional battery is sufficient.
 
  #11  
Old 07-07-2008, 03:28 AM
The Stimulation's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (69)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10,850
Received 158 Likes on 108 Posts
As for batteries, I'd recommend anything by Enersys (such as Stinger, Odyssey, or Hawker...they are all the same). I used to use Kinetik but the Odyssey outperforms it. My friend has a yellow top and his died and is having a hard time recharging and staying charged. Optima has good batteries but the Odyssey will outperform it. Another good battery is Northstar.
 
  #12  
Old 07-07-2008, 08:04 AM
CreativeDesignZ's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (8)
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,732
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
caps are a waste of money and a bandaid for a poor install/non-efficient equipment. i would upgrade your battery to an optima, do the big 3, and look into different amplifiers
 
  #13  
Old 07-07-2008, 12:33 PM
gtbigup01's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Columbus Ga
Posts: 1,131
Received 11 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by CreativeDesignZ
caps are a waste of money and a bandaid for a poor install/non-efficient equipment. i would upgrade your battery to an optima, do the big 3, and look into different amplifiers
I think the OP asked about the big 3, and thus far everyone recommended it but no one has told him what the big 3 were..... OK I want to know 2
 
  #14  
Old 07-07-2008, 12:42 PM
The Stimulation's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (69)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10,850
Received 158 Likes on 108 Posts
Originally Posted by gtbigup01
I think the OP asked about the big 3, and thus far everyone recommended it but no one has told him what the big 3 were..... OK I want to know 2
It's improving the electrical system to ensure there is better flow of current. Here is a DIY link.

http://www.caraudiojunkyard.com/foru...-tutorial.html

Very simple, all it is, is the following steps:

Alternator pos to battery pos, chassis to battery neg, and engine block to battery neg. 1/0 wire is recommended for optimum gain and I'd also recommend using copper lugs (tinned copper works fine as well).
 
  #15  
Old 07-07-2008, 12:42 PM
GD-Up's Avatar
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for all the info guys!!!

**Question**
When doing the Big 3 do you remove the old existing wire or run it in addition to the new stuff?
 

Last edited by GD-Up; 07-07-2008 at 12:57 PM.


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Caps/ground kits/ volt stabilizer



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:58 PM.