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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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Question What do you guys think...

For my black G that seems to have problems with SWIRLS EVERYWHERE I bought the following and i'm going to apply in the following steps...

Menzerna Intensive polish (in a few problem areas)
Menzerna Final Polsih
Z-PC
Z-5
Z-2
Then Finally Z-8

And of course the car will be washed with Dawn initially and following that it will be completely clayed..

Comments and opinions will be greatly appreciated. Should I use Micro Fiber applicator pads? Or the pads that come with Zaino?

Brian

Has anyone had any experiences good/bad with Menzerna? I have used Zaino about 3 years ago on my acura and really enjoyed it...
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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Menzerna's polishes are great, although a bit finicky to work with at times... What buffer and pads will you be using to apply them??? And as you already know, Zaino is by far one of the best care systems on the market... As with any black car, you will want to be as thorough on the polishing process as you can, as Zaino is excellent at showcasing the condition/gloss of the paint (including swirls)...
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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Work the IP with an orange pad and with your PC between 3.5-4. Work in small sections and allow the polish to completely break down. Follow up with your FP applied with a white pad and proceed with your Zaino process. I use microfiber applicators for my FMJ and sealants, but the meguiars yellow foam pads work as well.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamcatchr
Menzerna's polishes are great, although a bit finicky to work with at times... What buffer and pads will you be using to apply them??? And as you already know, Zaino is by far one of the best care systems on the market... As with any black car, you will want to be as thorough on the polishing process as you can, as Zaino is excellent at showcasing the condition/gloss of the paint (including swirls)...

I was going to just bust my A** and do it by hand.. is that not recomended?

I only have a crappy orbital and I would kind of hate to use that on the car...
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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I was going to just bust my A** and do it by hand.. is that not recomended?

I only have a crappy orbital and I would kind of hate to use that on the car...
To be quite honest Skroopie getting quality results polishing by hand is nearly impossible. There just isn't the heat or speed required to be effective.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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by hand??? sorry, bro... i dont think you will get good, even results that way (by hand you wont be able to generate enough heat/friction to break down the abrasives in polishes)... maybe you can get away with applying FPII by hand, but i think you might cause more marring/swirls by applying IP by hand... if you can, invest in a PC 7424, you can find them for around $110 and it will make your work MUCH easier... it's an easy tool to use and it is very durable... go to autopia.org and read the forums... they are a wealth of information in detailing, with advice from some of the best detailers in the world... perhaps you can find some advice/info on applying polishers by hand... i know griots makes a hand polisher but i've never tried it...

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/11374.do
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Menzerna polishes are the best I've used, but you'll definitely need a good orbital polisher (PC, Flex, etc) to get the results you want. Buying a PC is a little bit of cost up front, but it will more than pay for itself down the road, especially since your G is BO.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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I'll invest in a PC 7424 if that is the case. I don't have any experience with a buffer and I would hate to damage the paint, burn it, etc. If I read like you say, is it pretty easy?
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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Also, if I make my purchase ( this evening) what pads are a must that I should buy?
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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George @ DetailedImage has a great starter kit that contains everything you'd need. I believe his 10% discount for G35Driver members applies to these kits as well. Don't worry about damaging your paint with the PC as it's virtually impossible. Random orbital buffers are pretty much fool proof. Good luck.

http://www.detailedimage.com/DI-Pack...rter-Kit-P138/
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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^^^ Exactly, you can find refurbished ones for slightly less, but going with George gets you grade A products AND customer service. You can use some solid glazes and waxes with fillers to minimize your swirls, but you will have an extremely difficult time removing them by hand or getting the polishes to breakdown the way they are intended. Get the Porter Cable, a couple orange and white pads. I still like applying waxes and sealants by hand, but you can pick up a grey pad if you want. Well work the investment.

If you are committed to going the hand route, the Menzerna polishes may not be your best choice. Ultima Products may be a good option.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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Thanks a BUNCH to all of you. I really appreciate it very very very much. I'm so **** about my vehicles..i'd do anything to make it perfect!
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Garnet Canuck
George @ DetailedImage has a great starter kit that contains everything you'd need. I believe his 10% discount for G35Driver members applies to these kits as well. Don't worry about damaging your paint with the PC as it's virtually impossible. Random orbital buffers are pretty much fool proof. Good luck.

http://www.detailedimage.com/DI-Pack...rter-Kit-P138/
I was about to suggest that same kit... however, the 10% discount does not apply to any kits... but keeping in mind that you are using the zaino line, the kit would give you some pads that you wouldnt necessarily need... for example, you can use IP on yellow (heavy cutting) or orange (light cutting) and you can use the FPII on white (polishing)... i dont think you would need blue (fine finishing) or black (finishing)... using zaino, you'd want to do it by hand or you'd end up wasting quite a bit of product... and well, get a couple of pads of each one that you'll be using as you'll likely need more than one to finish a vehicle... i actually just ordered some 4" pads as they are said to be much better for working in compounds/polishes (the effort energy is more concentrated)... there is an active thread on autopia that deals with pads... i hope the info has helped...

http://www.autopia.org/forum/machine...confusion.html
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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All purchased!!! I ordered the kit, plus a plethora of extra pads. I'm kinda excited!
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamcatchr
I was about to suggest that same kit... however, the 10% discount does not apply to any kits... but keeping in mind that you are using the zaino line, the kit would give you some pads that you wouldnt necessarily need... for example, you can use IP on yellow (heavy cutting) or orange (light cutting) and you can use the FPII on white (polishing)... i dont think you would need blue (fine finishing) or black (finishing)... using zaino, you'd want to do it by hand or you'd end up wasting quite a bit of product... and well, get a couple of pads of each one that you'll be using as you'll likely need more than one to finish a vehicle... i actually just ordered some 4" pads as they are said to be much better for working in compounds/polishes (the effort energy is more concentrated)... there is an active thread on autopia that deals with pads... i hope the info has helped...

http://www.autopia.org/forum/machine...confusion.html
Thanks!
 
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