Kamal's car isn't a 6 speed, I guess everyone is referring to the flexplate?

Where is SFR's response?

 

What are you gonna do with your G? It's just chillin at Technosquare...they are not sure what you are planning to do with it.

 

? they arent? thanks for the heads up silver g but its getting worked on as we speak... They know exactly what to do? How long ago were you there?

 

^ About a week ago. I talked with Howard and Tadashi...they said a new motor was coming but not sure. Those guys are good so I'm sure they will get you up and running.

 

Kamal,

Congrats on the new car.

Sam,

Thanks for all the hard work that has gone into my car. I hope you know how grateful I am for your efforts, professionalism and donated time on my project.

To the original poster,

Having spent over $20,000 with speedforce racing in July of 2006 and still not having a working car to show for it; I'll be diplomatic and just say that I personally, would not recommend speedforce racing based on my experience. Tim is a great guy and I having nothing bad to say about him and his character. I would be happy to elaborate in an off-forum discussion should you have any questions in an effort to help better form your decision. Having worked with both shops (SFR and GTM), I have full confidence in GTM and wouldn't take my projects elsewhere (that is if I ever recover from this last f.uck.show).

 

im def not goin with them anymore..

 

Kamal I was at Technosquare yesterday... and... your car was running!!

 

yeap car is running and I am driving it. I am still missing my parts though from GTM... I guess I will get my parts back when I hit 800 hp on a stock block. I am still waiting on GTM to please send my parts or atleast give me an answer to where they are... Thanks.

 

Let me tell my side of the story and then let people decide for themselves.I like Kamal on a personal level but on a business level,it just didnt work out how we both would have liked it to.First thing though is Kamal is one of the hardest customers we have ever dealt with.His car was even more of a challenge since a couple little things turned into problems that were hard to diagnose.

When Kamal wants his car, he wants it now and just about everytime he took it, it had not been tuned, test driven or anything else. It had just been fired up. Definitely not the best way to give a car back to the customer but there was no other way when dealing with Kamal! I understand he would wait which seemed like an endless amount of time but in all reality,having the car go from shop to shop fixing this,repairing that,ends up taking alot longer and costs alot more.So he would call and give me a day of when he was coming and although we tried our best to meet the deadline,start the car,check the car, road test the car and dyno it, recheck it,etc.....there would not be enough time to get it all done when he would show up.What am I going to do when the customer will not take no for an answer?



Kamal had come in for a built motor.We built the engine for him,auto tranny,etc........ Kamal spent about $11,800 on a built motor and tranny,fixing his wheels,installing oil cooler,and other little stuff,etc..... with all the parts and labor included. He drove it home on a base tune and proceeded to drive it for three months.We get a from Kamal and he said all the oil dumped out onto the ground.He tows the car in and we find that he had worn a hole through the oil return line since he was accustomed to drving up a steep enbankment or driveway and it wore through the plastics and through the line an dumped the oil.The front end of his car was super slammed so it didnt help the situation at all.Dumping all the oil out of the engine can be catastrophic.Kamal told me that it was not at high rpms and there were no loud noises. We told him that it would be best to dissassemble the motor and inspect the engine which would cost him or we could just run it like it was and pray for the best. He wasnt going to pay, so we werent going to work and would hope for the best.

He wanted it like it was(with the line fixed, ofcourse) and he wanted it tuned. He wanted his car so deseprately and could not wait till the following business day so I could tune it. He ended up picking up the car at 3am on thanksgiving in 2006!!!!!!! Please let me know what other shops will let you pick up your car at 3am on Thanksgiving day.He then took it to GTM to let Sam tune it.There was a crank sensor code.

At that point Sam did some troubleshooting and determined,it would be best to pull the motor apart and determine the cause of the code.When Sam pulled it apart he realized that the cams,bearings and a few other things had been damaged.The cause of this was from dumping all the oil out of a running engine.At that point Sam had made out an estimate for Kamal which was posted earlier in this thread.

Kamal declined and I told Kamal we would replace everything and get it running and tuned for $2000. I am trying to do my best here ans losing money at an alarming rate trying to come to a compromise and for the most part, to end the nightmare without everything going south.We both agreed and that is what happened. Kamal brought the car with the engine back in parts and pieces,boxes,etc....from GTM. It was not in one piece and running like when it left. That itself is a challenge to put together an engine from scratch out of boxes that someone else took apart.Figuring out and separating al the hardware took hours and that doesnt even count all the other s*it we had to do. Kamal also decided he wanted to upgrade his turbos to the larger units we are using now so we did that at our actual cost for him.This also required building new headers,dowpipes,WG dumps,oil drains lines,etc......He paid for part of this and there was stilll a $1300 balance which he never ended up paying since he felt as though I should cover half the cost of his GTM billl since it was our fault.

Finally the car was done and ready to fire up. But there was the crank code back and in full vengeance.The little problem that turned into a big one that took us hours and hours and hours of diagnosis.We easily spent 20 hours trying to figure this out. We found the flex plate had a slight nick in it which was causing the code since the crank sensor was freaking out.Very hard to find and any good shop could easily have overlooked this.We did initially.

The car ran ok, with a Utec in it that was not tuned.I had mentioned to Kamal multiple times that the Utec was not m first choice and that Haltech was available and I am very familiar with it.He declined and I tuned the Utec but there was a problem with the tranny.The tranny was not shifting.We pulled the tranny(at our cost and another 8 hours) tore it down and realized the fluid was contaminted with coolant.The radiator had leaked coolant into the tranny fluid(since the tranny cooler runs through the radiator).Kamal kept telling us the tranny was not put together right and I kept telling him it had contaminated fluid.I have the picture of the pink milkshake fluid on my phone.If anyone can tell me how a sealed tranny filled with fluid turns into a pink milkshake then I would love to here it. To make a long stroy short,we rebuilt the tranny and put it back together on our dime.I told Kamal that we could not use the tranny cooler in the radiator and sugeested a new radiator and tranny cooler.He insisted that he wouldnt pay for that and to use the existing radiator and I came up with using the engine oil cooler as the tranny cooler. The tranny would still not shift!

At that point I told Kamal that we did not know why this was happening and we both agreed to let Technosquare look at it and see if it was an ECU problem. He took it to Technosqaure.They pulled the tranny replaced it with a stock one and it still did not shift.Finally they pulled the Utec out and low and behold,the tranny would shift.Takashi called me and told me this personally.Kamal tried to get me to take the tranny back and I told him to bring it down here since it was just rebuilt and had less then 100 miles on it and we would take it apart and if it was messed up,I would return his money.He has never showed up.So back to the story,Technosqayre does a custom tune and one week later I hear the engine is blown apart and ofcourse,SFR is at fault again.The thing is that this car had been run with a base tune in an SS box for quite some time,then with a ok tune in a Utec box and there was never a catastrophic failure.And now there is and we get the blame yet again.

I think we have went way over the top to accomodate Kamal and we have basically given up every last dollar of profit and have actually spent money out of our own pockets to build his car.We didnt cause the oil line to get worn down and drop all the oil out of the engine while it was running.We didnt cause the tranny fluid to get contaminated with coolant,We didnt cause the Utec to not let the tranny shift. Finally we didnt cause the motor to blow after the last tune by another shop. Everytime Kamals car left, he drove it out of here. So that is my side of the story,decided for yourself what you think of our shop and how we handled this situation.

 

Matt,

If dont want to refer peple here,that is fine by me.But take a look real closely at what you paid for what you got and see if any other shop can even come close.I mean you got a complete turbo system,built motor, cams, good head gaskets, studs, etc........for $17,500 with labor.

Its not that your car didnt work,it is that your car was running Utec and could not be tuned properly where it would run consistently.the temperature of the day would vary the tune dramatically.Also for other Utec users,Check your AFR at WOT and then check it again at the same rpms,boost at only 1/4 throttle.Notice your mixtures change 1-2 points? You know this Matt as it was explained to you over and over.How many times did you come here and I had to re-tune it when it was hot out and then re-tune it when it was cold out and then re-tune it when it was hot out.I had spent well over $1000 in dyno time trying to dial in this car on numerous occasions.The Utecs temperature compensation maps do not work very well in my opinion.

You did not end up spending $20k. More like $17,500. Remember,I returned the money for the intake manifold.I returned the money for the inejctors,fuel lines,etc...that had been used for six months by you. Both your car and Kamals car had Utec and both of them had wierd problems. As a matter of fact,I hate the Utec an will not sell or install them on any customers cars.That is why I told you to take your car to GTM a year ago and get the F-con.Had it been now, I would have put a Haltech in. Simple fix. But it wasnt available at the time and Sam is a very god F-con tuner so it was an obvious choice.

If your car is still not running at this point, then it is defintiely not on us since your car has not been in our shop for almost a year. Sorry to say that but to try to blame us at this point is not really being fair.

 

To whom it may concern,

I havent posted sooner since we did not even know this thread existed till today.It really sucks to see and hear people taking stabs at us. What is this a ****in lynch mob? I just sat here for about two hours reading all this bs and I just posted up my side of the story. Sorry for not browsing these forums as much as I would like but we have been extremely busy and I havent had a chance to post here in awhile.


On another note,we have been building cars alot longer then most of the shops on these forums have been in existance.We build all sorts of different engines,turbo systems for all sorts of different cars.In fact,threr is an article in the July Eurotuner of a 750WHP M3 turbo we built,There is an article in October European Car of a 530WHP single over head cam 4 banger Porsche road race car we built.There is an article inDsport coming out in he next month or so of a 600WHP R33 Skyline we built.So if some of you guys think we dont know what we are doing or know how to build an engine because I havent repsonded to these posts till today,then you are wrong.Very wrong.Thank you for your time.

 

Jeremy,

Maybe you need to see what parts we use and make a direct comparison.We use Precision turbos,Tial or Synpase wastegates and blow-off valves. The best aluminum and stainless you can get here in the US, Spearco intercooler cores,etc.......for our single turbo system.It is eally hard to sit there and compare these two kits and say one uses better qaulity parts then the other when we are both using pretty much the same stuff.Yes we dont polish all of our piping but we also dont charge the customer for it either.Our kit is reasonbly priced,excellently put together and crafted and you really get alot for the money.

 

Please post some examples of this. Why dont you come by the shop since you are in SD and you can see one of the G's,Z's,BMWS,Supras,Audis or Porsche's,sandrails,etc..... we are building and then you can show us how things dont fit right,faulty oil lines,etc.......

Anyone else for that matter is more then welcome to come by here and see for yourself what we are about and what we are building and installing on customers cars. After your visit, if you really fee we dont know what we are doing,then please post it up right here for everyone to see.But please dont speak from hearsay,just form personal experience..Thank you.

 

Dam Bro you got Peformance Factory, Forged peformance, SFR, GTM.

All fighting for your business, lol once you mentioned $20,000 to spend all jumped in here in no time


Id say either go PF or FG , leaning more toward forged performance but they are so far, and with PF right next door really hard to decide between the two.

 

I am fighting to clear up some misconceptions and straight up lies about our shop,the products we build and the qaulity of the products we use and sell. I think it is BS.


I see people posting because this shop posts about this build and that shop posts about that build.We dont post up every build we do because a.frankly I dont have the time and b. we deal with so many cars and build so many parts that I would have to just sit on the computer all day,posting about this build and that build..I just dont have the time to do that........ but if it will give us some more credibility in people eyes, then I guess I will have to find some time to do it.