Runing a g on hho or hhhn and gasoline plz keep a open mind
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Runing a g on hho or hhhn and gasoline plz keep a open mind
INTRODUCTION:: Converting water into HHO gas is nothing new, this technology has been around for decades but until recently it has gotten little to no attention. Now with fossil fuel prices on the rise and the environmental impact it is having on the world around us people are starting to take notice demand more sustainable alternatives to where our energy comes from.
See how this remarkable innovation works and how it will not only save you money but the world around you as well.
about this technology iv already done my home work and iv already seen this technology work miracles on some of the biggest gas guzzlers.
Now with that being said i dont want to focus on just the process of electrolysis to break down water and a catalyst like electrolyte to create hhhn. you might be asking your self now what is this jackass talking about and what is hhhn? let me get a little more technical im pritty sure for years some people have seen these kits you can buy to do a retrofit to run your car on water well its possible but the real question is will it work on a sophisticated complex car like a G35?
Now the reason i opened this thread is for educational purposes only. im almost 10000000% sure this will work on our cars but there is one thing i cant stress enough when dealing with this technology SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY. No matter if your installing this on a pinto or a benz the principle is always the same hydrogen gas is DANGEROUS AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO EXPLODE AND KILL YOU AND WHOS EVER AROUND YOU.
If your thinking about tinkering with hydroxy your best bet is to do a little home work on explosive gases now lets dwell a minute on the particular cells they have on the market today when i mean today i mean today 12/24/11 because this technology is always changing and theres always a bigger and better one down the road some where.
two kinds of cells
WET: VERY CONVENTIONAL
DRY: TOP OF THE LINE YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE ENGINEERING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. AND NO IM NOT A SALESMAN!
Now what are the differences between the two clearly night and day lol lets start with the wet cell. Ok with the wet cell you have the copper rods or plates in a glass or plastic bottle and you just pour the water catalys mixer in the plastic or glass container and all your electronic conections are made via the screw on lid. Alot of people are fond of this design but im not i mean come on guys one G35driver to another G35driver when some one wants to look under the hood you want to make sure every thing is presentable in a nice form of fashion.
Any who dry cells are not my favorite for this particular reason say you’ve got the hood popped and the engines running and you got your wet cell cranking out some serious hho gas then all of a sudden a backfire occurs and the vacuum sucks a flame through the line now in most cases well in all cases they make what is called a flash back arrestor we will talk about that here in a min but in this case these poor bastards wasn’t using one at all.
Now please think about this for a second you have a glass bottle full of explosive gas and a backfire occurs you have no back fire safety devices in line the last thing you would probally see would be this lol i coudent resist and yes that is a hbomd we dont even come close to even making half the amout of hydrogen needed for an explosion that big lol
but back to the topic they wasnt useing no safety devices and the cell exploded sending glass shards flying all over the place VERY DANGEROUS. a couple of more flaws about wet cells plastic or glass we all no melts or breaks so why in the hell would we put somthing under our hood that will potentially brake or melt over time due to heat? I can go on and on for days about design flaws in wet cells.
Now I woude like to take a minute to talk about dry cells. A dry cell consists of metal plates in a enclosed box with a outlet for the gas and a inlet for the water via a remote reservoir that usually sits above the cell now these are my favorite cells in particular for a very simple reason they wont explode as easy as a dry cell would they wont leak any current and they wont heat up as fast. Now there are many many dry cells you can buy or make your self but being how im not a electrical engineer nor do I have a background in chemistry im gona leave all the hard work for the pros and besides we want something that will fit the profile of our G35 so the smaller the better out of sight out of mind. Electricity it was always thout that you would need more power to make hho than the alternator could create but that is a lie OEM alternators are some where around 30% more efficient at making power we can use than our engines that turn it don’t be fooled some dry cell kits take a lot of power to create a substantial amount of hho gas to create power and torque but when you get more power you get more heat and with more heat that water in the cell can start to boil and the last time I checked our cars cant run on steam.
That is why you must look at what metals are being used in the cell. I wouldn’t touch any thing under 316 stainless steel and that’s if I was to put it on a older model car for me to put one on my G it would have to be titanium all around. Why titanium? Its 20 times less corrosive than SS316 meaning it can handle the strongest electrolyte mixer you can throw at it and it can turn all that heat made by the SS316 into usable power we can use to split those H20 molecules.
Since we are on the electrical topic you will need what is called a PWM short for pulse with modulator and all this does is give you control over how many amps your cell will receive via your battery and the freq of the pulsewith think of a pulsewith as a on and off process you turn the **** up that on and off process speeds up same effect if you were to turn it down.
Now if I was to run this setup I would go ahead and get the mechman alternator just to make sure my charging system is up to snuff and a pritty good grounding kit to ensure all my sensors are picking up a clean signal. I guess this covers the electrical standpoint for rite now. Note that this thread will be periodically updated so if I didn’t cover something then I will try my best to hunt down some more info on any subject iv covered .
Different cells make different kinds of hho gas depending on what you use as an electrolyte that’s why I woudent attempt to build one my self cause I don’t have the time or resources to fine tune a formula for my home made cell that’s why I would just purchase a cell that comes with the rite electrolyte or has a detailed guide on how to whip up your own mixer. Now dry cells made of SS316 make a form of hydrogen called brown gas or hydroxy. Time for a little chemistry
When water is introduced to an electrical current/voltage DC it has a tendency to become excited and fractures into its primary elements, Hydrogen and Oxygen. The produced Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms are now in a gaseous state and ready to be used in your engine. Some describe the process as the two elements splitting apart from one another into their sub-diatomic molecular state.
A fallacy out there is that it takes more energy to produce the HHO than the energy it releases. Yes, it takes energy to split up water into its elements, no doubt.
But hho gas mixed with the fuel air mixture of your vehicle outwards the energy you have to put into the system. The fuel is now burned completely, what actually makes the catalytic converter not necessary anymore. With 100% fuel usage you are getting all out of the fuel what you paid for and more. The hho gas lets you have more power of your engine, you will feel it when you accelerate during passing for instance.
The principle is to produce as much as possible with the least amount of electrical input energy. In reality, once the HHO generator has been charged up it actually acts like a wet cell battery. It holds a charge of 1.5 - 2.0 volts DC and can operate when charged with the power switch turned off, until the remaining suspended HHO gas is pulled off. The power switch is primarily used to maintain the HHO generators charge.
What we do here is draw off the HHO gas by the vacuum created by the vehicles engine and feed the gasses directly into the engine to be combusted. The system is an on demand system, "NOT" a pressurized storage system. The HHO generator only produces what the vehicles engine calls for, nothing more.
See how this remarkable innovation works and how it will not only save you money but the world around you as well.
about this technology iv already done my home work and iv already seen this technology work miracles on some of the biggest gas guzzlers.
Now with that being said i dont want to focus on just the process of electrolysis to break down water and a catalyst like electrolyte to create hhhn. you might be asking your self now what is this jackass talking about and what is hhhn? let me get a little more technical im pritty sure for years some people have seen these kits you can buy to do a retrofit to run your car on water well its possible but the real question is will it work on a sophisticated complex car like a G35?
Now the reason i opened this thread is for educational purposes only. im almost 10000000% sure this will work on our cars but there is one thing i cant stress enough when dealing with this technology SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY. No matter if your installing this on a pinto or a benz the principle is always the same hydrogen gas is DANGEROUS AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO EXPLODE AND KILL YOU AND WHOS EVER AROUND YOU.
If your thinking about tinkering with hydroxy your best bet is to do a little home work on explosive gases now lets dwell a minute on the particular cells they have on the market today when i mean today i mean today 12/24/11 because this technology is always changing and theres always a bigger and better one down the road some where.
two kinds of cells
WET: VERY CONVENTIONAL
DRY: TOP OF THE LINE YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE ENGINEERING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. AND NO IM NOT A SALESMAN!
Now what are the differences between the two clearly night and day lol lets start with the wet cell. Ok with the wet cell you have the copper rods or plates in a glass or plastic bottle and you just pour the water catalys mixer in the plastic or glass container and all your electronic conections are made via the screw on lid. Alot of people are fond of this design but im not i mean come on guys one G35driver to another G35driver when some one wants to look under the hood you want to make sure every thing is presentable in a nice form of fashion.
Any who dry cells are not my favorite for this particular reason say you’ve got the hood popped and the engines running and you got your wet cell cranking out some serious hho gas then all of a sudden a backfire occurs and the vacuum sucks a flame through the line now in most cases well in all cases they make what is called a flash back arrestor we will talk about that here in a min but in this case these poor bastards wasn’t using one at all.
Now please think about this for a second you have a glass bottle full of explosive gas and a backfire occurs you have no back fire safety devices in line the last thing you would probally see would be this lol i coudent resist and yes that is a hbomd we dont even come close to even making half the amout of hydrogen needed for an explosion that big lol
but back to the topic they wasnt useing no safety devices and the cell exploded sending glass shards flying all over the place VERY DANGEROUS. a couple of more flaws about wet cells plastic or glass we all no melts or breaks so why in the hell would we put somthing under our hood that will potentially brake or melt over time due to heat? I can go on and on for days about design flaws in wet cells.
Now I woude like to take a minute to talk about dry cells. A dry cell consists of metal plates in a enclosed box with a outlet for the gas and a inlet for the water via a remote reservoir that usually sits above the cell now these are my favorite cells in particular for a very simple reason they wont explode as easy as a dry cell would they wont leak any current and they wont heat up as fast. Now there are many many dry cells you can buy or make your self but being how im not a electrical engineer nor do I have a background in chemistry im gona leave all the hard work for the pros and besides we want something that will fit the profile of our G35 so the smaller the better out of sight out of mind. Electricity it was always thout that you would need more power to make hho than the alternator could create but that is a lie OEM alternators are some where around 30% more efficient at making power we can use than our engines that turn it don’t be fooled some dry cell kits take a lot of power to create a substantial amount of hho gas to create power and torque but when you get more power you get more heat and with more heat that water in the cell can start to boil and the last time I checked our cars cant run on steam.
That is why you must look at what metals are being used in the cell. I wouldn’t touch any thing under 316 stainless steel and that’s if I was to put it on a older model car for me to put one on my G it would have to be titanium all around. Why titanium? Its 20 times less corrosive than SS316 meaning it can handle the strongest electrolyte mixer you can throw at it and it can turn all that heat made by the SS316 into usable power we can use to split those H20 molecules.
Since we are on the electrical topic you will need what is called a PWM short for pulse with modulator and all this does is give you control over how many amps your cell will receive via your battery and the freq of the pulsewith think of a pulsewith as a on and off process you turn the **** up that on and off process speeds up same effect if you were to turn it down.
Now if I was to run this setup I would go ahead and get the mechman alternator just to make sure my charging system is up to snuff and a pritty good grounding kit to ensure all my sensors are picking up a clean signal. I guess this covers the electrical standpoint for rite now. Note that this thread will be periodically updated so if I didn’t cover something then I will try my best to hunt down some more info on any subject iv covered .
Different cells make different kinds of hho gas depending on what you use as an electrolyte that’s why I woudent attempt to build one my self cause I don’t have the time or resources to fine tune a formula for my home made cell that’s why I would just purchase a cell that comes with the rite electrolyte or has a detailed guide on how to whip up your own mixer. Now dry cells made of SS316 make a form of hydrogen called brown gas or hydroxy. Time for a little chemistry
When water is introduced to an electrical current/voltage DC it has a tendency to become excited and fractures into its primary elements, Hydrogen and Oxygen. The produced Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms are now in a gaseous state and ready to be used in your engine. Some describe the process as the two elements splitting apart from one another into their sub-diatomic molecular state.
A fallacy out there is that it takes more energy to produce the HHO than the energy it releases. Yes, it takes energy to split up water into its elements, no doubt.
But hho gas mixed with the fuel air mixture of your vehicle outwards the energy you have to put into the system. The fuel is now burned completely, what actually makes the catalytic converter not necessary anymore. With 100% fuel usage you are getting all out of the fuel what you paid for and more. The hho gas lets you have more power of your engine, you will feel it when you accelerate during passing for instance.
The principle is to produce as much as possible with the least amount of electrical input energy. In reality, once the HHO generator has been charged up it actually acts like a wet cell battery. It holds a charge of 1.5 - 2.0 volts DC and can operate when charged with the power switch turned off, until the remaining suspended HHO gas is pulled off. The power switch is primarily used to maintain the HHO generators charge.
What we do here is draw off the HHO gas by the vacuum created by the vehicles engine and feed the gasses directly into the engine to be combusted. The system is an on demand system, "NOT" a pressurized storage system. The HHO generator only produces what the vehicles engine calls for, nothing more.
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NOTE: RUNING A FULL TITANIUM CELL WITH THE RITE ELECTROLYTE WILL ELIMINATE THE USE OF A MAP ENHANCER
hhhn is not only more powerful but it is also a volume increase the hydrogen seperates from the dipole nitrogen and any hydrogen that is free floating attach to nitrogen leaving the o2s to see just what we want it to. To understand it fully you must think outside the box . What is the true purpose of hhhn or hho it is not to run the car it is to change the fuel to burn quicker cleaner and yes cooler. Take a true hydrocarbon and hit it with a oh radical and it will shatter meaning youve made twice the fuel .The more of the big chains of true hydrocarbons the easier it is to shatter the carbons but we must also have enough hyd to fill back the carbons ends. This is where the ammonia comes into the picture. Always remember we want the good hyd meaning spinning the same way . The hyd will try to pare up quickly but the odd ball hyd will hook up to the oxyg making us a true radical which is what we need to crack the fuel.The only ways to crack fuel are pressure, heat , vacum, tension changing and hydrogen oxygen radicals with a catalyst. This is what we are doing and when we thermal catalyst crack with all the above youve built a refinery on wheels .Remember the engine does not need a fuel ratio of 14.7 to 1 as old timers were taught gas is different in a liquid form. Think ac vacum is liquid and pressure is gas Ive ran a 350 chev engine upto 150 to 1 so think outside the box. to lean can be done but when you understand the mixtures of true hydrocarbons you will succed. I will be coming out with a fuel reformer soon and it will amaze everyone . And for the ones asking about the ammonia it is not in the bubbler its in the cell it takes elec to break the bonds so we can recombine to hydrocarbons. For the ones that dont believe I want you to think a couple minutes and let this set in crude oil is thick how do you think we get gasoline or dsl out of it/? The answer is simple we crack it with hyd steam and a catalyst. Now if we can do this then what makes you think that we cant take gasoline or dsl and make even lighter fuel? They meaning the oil co have done the hard part so we start with that cleaner fuel now about what there putting into our fuel this can be beat but we must burn and controll the fuel in small quantaties to eleminate the coking build up they want us to have. Who do you think makes the fuel cleaners oil co and dont forget it comes from crude also . They have a win win bit not for long. Dan Merrick"
I hope who ever reads this takes it to the heart and runs with it there is a vast network of opportunities dealing with alternitive energy now a days and its only going to get bigger as our energy needs sky rocket now how does all this come into play with the G35 I think it would be a freaking beast if you put one of these on here the rite way and the only problem I can see I will run into is tuning the vehicle I know they make what is called a efie chip it basically wires into your 02s and your MAF.
hhhn is not only more powerful but it is also a volume increase the hydrogen seperates from the dipole nitrogen and any hydrogen that is free floating attach to nitrogen leaving the o2s to see just what we want it to. To understand it fully you must think outside the box . What is the true purpose of hhhn or hho it is not to run the car it is to change the fuel to burn quicker cleaner and yes cooler. Take a true hydrocarbon and hit it with a oh radical and it will shatter meaning youve made twice the fuel .The more of the big chains of true hydrocarbons the easier it is to shatter the carbons but we must also have enough hyd to fill back the carbons ends. This is where the ammonia comes into the picture. Always remember we want the good hyd meaning spinning the same way . The hyd will try to pare up quickly but the odd ball hyd will hook up to the oxyg making us a true radical which is what we need to crack the fuel.The only ways to crack fuel are pressure, heat , vacum, tension changing and hydrogen oxygen radicals with a catalyst. This is what we are doing and when we thermal catalyst crack with all the above youve built a refinery on wheels .Remember the engine does not need a fuel ratio of 14.7 to 1 as old timers were taught gas is different in a liquid form. Think ac vacum is liquid and pressure is gas Ive ran a 350 chev engine upto 150 to 1 so think outside the box. to lean can be done but when you understand the mixtures of true hydrocarbons you will succed. I will be coming out with a fuel reformer soon and it will amaze everyone . And for the ones asking about the ammonia it is not in the bubbler its in the cell it takes elec to break the bonds so we can recombine to hydrocarbons. For the ones that dont believe I want you to think a couple minutes and let this set in crude oil is thick how do you think we get gasoline or dsl out of it/? The answer is simple we crack it with hyd steam and a catalyst. Now if we can do this then what makes you think that we cant take gasoline or dsl and make even lighter fuel? They meaning the oil co have done the hard part so we start with that cleaner fuel now about what there putting into our fuel this can be beat but we must burn and controll the fuel in small quantaties to eleminate the coking build up they want us to have. Who do you think makes the fuel cleaners oil co and dont forget it comes from crude also . They have a win win bit not for long. Dan Merrick"
I hope who ever reads this takes it to the heart and runs with it there is a vast network of opportunities dealing with alternitive energy now a days and its only going to get bigger as our energy needs sky rocket now how does all this come into play with the G35 I think it would be a freaking beast if you put one of these on here the rite way and the only problem I can see I will run into is tuning the vehicle I know they make what is called a efie chip it basically wires into your 02s and your MAF.
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will all this work with SC/TURBO or any aftermarket product
The answer is yes and it might work 10 times better if you have mild intake and exhaust work done also. it seems like the less restrictive the intake and exhaust is the more power your capable of putting down while the cell is switched on!
ADDITIONAL INFO
BENEFITS OF USING HHO
•Improve your gas mileage by up to 100%. This includes both city and highway driving conditions.
•Eliminate harmful exhaust emission that pollute the environment and contribute to global warming. Your engine will ADD oxygen to the environment instead of polluting it.
•Greatly enhance engine power and performance.
•Remove carbon deposits and prevent future carbon build up.
•Reduce the operating temperature of the engine and waste heat into the environment.
•You will notice a calmer, quieter and much smoother engine operation. This is due to the effect water has on the combustion cycle inside your engine.
•Enjoy a longer life expectancy of your engine, especially the pistons and valves.
and of course you will gain more gas mileages and safe cash every time you fill up your car.
Just imagine you would save about 50% of your gasoline bill every month, how would that make you feel?!
ADDITIONAL INFO
BENEFITS OF USING HHO
•Improve your gas mileage by up to 100%. This includes both city and highway driving conditions.
•Eliminate harmful exhaust emission that pollute the environment and contribute to global warming. Your engine will ADD oxygen to the environment instead of polluting it.
•Greatly enhance engine power and performance.
•Remove carbon deposits and prevent future carbon build up.
•Reduce the operating temperature of the engine and waste heat into the environment.
•You will notice a calmer, quieter and much smoother engine operation. This is due to the effect water has on the combustion cycle inside your engine.
•Enjoy a longer life expectancy of your engine, especially the pistons and valves.
and of course you will gain more gas mileages and safe cash every time you fill up your car.
Just imagine you would save about 50% of your gasoline bill every month, how would that make you feel?!
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[QUOTE=walshtj;6263177]Very good post, I actually have written several papers on this very topic...[/QUOTE
Dont be a stranger any information on is topic is greatly welcomed!!!!!!!!
Dont be a stranger any information on is topic is greatly welcomed!!!!!!!!
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BRANDO03, I'm gonna bite...I recall seeing all the interest in HHO converters back in the $4+ dollar a gallon scare a couple of years ago. Nothing but website after website of product selling followed by website after website of shill advertising. Not one single website showing before and after done by ANY reputable 3rd party unbiased company.
In theory, I like what this product claims to offer on paper, but if it sounds too good to be true...well, you know that answer to this. If this product produced the fuel economy as advertised, EVERY automotive manufacturer would use it to increase fuel economy.
I say, since you are trying really hard to pitch this product that you put your money where your mouth is. Why don't you be the gunea pig for G35dsriver.com?
I'm sure everyone would love to see before and after dyno numbers and before and after fuel economy averages with this product installed.
In theory, I like what this product claims to offer on paper, but if it sounds too good to be true...well, you know that answer to this. If this product produced the fuel economy as advertised, EVERY automotive manufacturer would use it to increase fuel economy.
I say, since you are trying really hard to pitch this product that you put your money where your mouth is. Why don't you be the gunea pig for G35dsriver.com?
I'm sure everyone would love to see before and after dyno numbers and before and after fuel economy averages with this product installed.
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You are right my friend thats why around incomtax time i will be purchasing one of these kits just to see what i can gain out of it im not looking for any buyers im just making it known that the technology is here. I am not in no way affiliated with any of these companys iv stated just your average joe trying to make a difference in the world... and the hho cells they made back then are far more unefficient than the ones on the market today most of those they made back then were backyard scientist making cells out of mason jars and wires. This stuff has came a long ways in a short period of time.
You are right my friend thats why around incomtax time i will be purchasing one of these kits just to see what i can gain out of it im not looking for any buyers im just making it known that the technology is here. I am not in no way affiliated with any of these companys iv stated just your average joe trying to make a difference in the world... and the hho cells they made back then are far more unefficient than the ones on the market today most of those they made back then were backyard scientist making cells out of mason jars and wires. This stuff has came a long ways in a short period of time.
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AND, in fact, even in the purest water that a chemist can make the water is ALWAYS dissociating to some extent, about 6 trillion molecules per liter are continuously doing this reaction:
H2O -> H(+) + OH(-)
The boundary between ionic bonding and covalent bonding is not as cut and dry as you think it is (or as much as introductory chemistry teachers insist that it is). The spectrum of bond-types is a lot more continuous.
There is a way to quantify just how ionic or covalent a chemical bond is...but I myself don't really understand it. All I know is that it is based upon a property known as electronegativity.
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Aren't we talking about NH3? or Ammonia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia
I'm not sure what you mean by Nitrogen not being able to bond with 3 hydrogen ions?
Aren't we talking about NH3? or Ammonia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia
Aren't we talking about NH3? or Ammonia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia
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