Heel and toe shifting
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Originally Posted by g356spd06
one quick question...what is this for? whats the big advantage of this process? launching? i can launch just perfectly fine feathering the clutch. i dont understand. someone please elaborate.
Basically, during the process of slowing down a car rapidly (like going into a corner on a track), you place the toe portion of your right foot on the brake pedal hard to engage the brake hard to decelerate quickly (as you would want to on a track to max the time you are stepping on the gas), meanwhile twist the right foot inward to bring the heel portion of your right foot on to the gas pedal and give it a rev as you down shift so as to keep the rpm from droping our of the power band (basically you would want your rpm at a high range at all time around the track for the engine to be most responsive at all time, even when you are slowing down in a corner).
So it's used purposely to rev match (you controlling to keep the RPM in the higher power band) when you brake/slowdown aggresively into a corner, so that you are right in the power band as you finish braking and time to accelerate out of a corner.
The timing of stepping on the brake, stepping on the clutch and heeling the gas and down shifting is tough to explain verbaly. Someone mentioned to see Best Motoring videos here earlier, and I agree, seeing the process would help to understand this work.
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Originally Posted by UofMG35
Oh yeah, because heel and toe downshifting is SO important during everyday driving!
I'm actually more comfortable placing my foot half on the brake pedal, and then just rolling it to the right to blip the throttle. To me this is more comfortable than traditional heel and toe.
I'm actually more comfortable placing my foot half on the brake pedal, and then just rolling it to the right to blip the throttle. To me this is more comfortable than traditional heel and toe.
relax. for slow speeds, that's what i do too. i call it the cheater style.
you should practice to be able to do both styles though. otherwise,
just get a 05+ AT. will do the blipping for you.
on organ pedal cars (like my cooper-s) i only use the cheater style.
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Originally Posted by kenchan
the pedal on the G35C (aluminum) isn't the best. i changed the gas pedal
to a different shaped one with a little lip on the bottom left. if you're at
the track, the stock pedal will work fine because you brake hard, but for
street the pedal design (or the brake pedal position) is not good.
to a different shaped one with a little lip on the bottom left. if you're at
the track, the stock pedal will work fine because you brake hard, but for
street the pedal design (or the brake pedal position) is not good.
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you guys complain about size 13 and doing heel-n-toe try and do it with a 16. Now that is a compete bi*ch. I just gave up trying to master it, my damn foot is to big.
You know what they say about people with big feet.
...THEY CAN'T DRIFT FOR S**T!
You know what they say about people with big feet.
...THEY CAN'T DRIFT FOR S**T!
I wear size 13 and I can heel toe in the G just fine... the pedals in this car are actually really nice for heel and toe - not too far apart, but not too close together... anyone who complains needs to drive a wider variety of cars...
For the newbs that feel the stock pedals are hard to heel and toe with, I suggest the adjustable Razo pedals. You can bring the gas pedal closer to the brake pedal so you won't have to shift your foot much to hit the gas while you're on the brakes... actually you won't really have to shift your foot at all if the pedals are close enough.
I think the real question is... how many people actually still double clutch?
For the newbs that feel the stock pedals are hard to heel and toe with, I suggest the adjustable Razo pedals. You can bring the gas pedal closer to the brake pedal so you won't have to shift your foot much to hit the gas while you're on the brakes... actually you won't really have to shift your foot at all if the pedals are close enough.
I think the real question is... how many people actually still double clutch?
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Originally Posted by スカイライン
Heel -Toe shifting technique is used for down shifting not for the purpose of up shifting, so it has nothing to do with launching.
Basically, during the process of slowing down a car rapidly (like going into a corner on a track), you place the toe portion of your right foot on the brake pedal hard to engage the brake hard to decelerate quickly (as you would want to on a track to max the time you are stepping on the gas), meanwhile twist the right foot inward to bring the heel portion of your right foot on to the gas pedal and give it a rev as you down shift so as to keep the rpm from droping our of the power band (basically you would want your rpm at a high range at all time around the track for the engine to be most responsive at all time, even when you are slowing down in a corner).
So it's used purposely to rev match (you controlling to keep the RPM in the higher power band) when you brake/slowdown aggresively into a corner, so that you are right in the power band as you finish braking and time to accelerate out of a corner.
The timing of stepping on the brake, stepping on the clutch and heeling the gas and down shifting is tough to explain verbaly. Someone mentioned to see Best Motoring videos here earlier, and I agree, seeing the process would help to understand this work.
Basically, during the process of slowing down a car rapidly (like going into a corner on a track), you place the toe portion of your right foot on the brake pedal hard to engage the brake hard to decelerate quickly (as you would want to on a track to max the time you are stepping on the gas), meanwhile twist the right foot inward to bring the heel portion of your right foot on to the gas pedal and give it a rev as you down shift so as to keep the rpm from droping our of the power band (basically you would want your rpm at a high range at all time around the track for the engine to be most responsive at all time, even when you are slowing down in a corner).
So it's used purposely to rev match (you controlling to keep the RPM in the higher power band) when you brake/slowdown aggresively into a corner, so that you are right in the power band as you finish braking and time to accelerate out of a corner.
The timing of stepping on the brake, stepping on the clutch and heeling the gas and down shifting is tough to explain verbaly. Someone mentioned to see Best Motoring videos here earlier, and I agree, seeing the process would help to understand this work.
I sometimes do it when slowing down in a straight line for added (engine) braking power, and the blipping of the throttle smoothens the shift and saves wear on the clutch.
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