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G35 Rear Bumper Repaint Darker?!
**UPDATE WITH PICTURES ON PAGE 3**
Hey guys, Some lady backed into me last week and scratched up my bumper, anyways i called up my infiniti dealer and they told me to take it to a certain body shop around the area thats certified by them. Long story short i picked up my car today and it seems as if the rear bumper looks darker than the rest of the car, i know paint adheres to plastic and metal differently but its really bugging me, ill try to post pics tomorrow since its dark out. Is this darker shade normal? If any of you with DG coupes could post a pic of the rear bumper and quarter panel together so i could compare it would be awesome! |
Based on what I've read here, a good shop should be able to match the paint. You have an 05 so I'm not too sure if you'll have a paint-fade problem.
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Here are some pictures of it at night:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2766.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2771.jpg |
wow i think they fcked up......
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yep its darker
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yeah when I had my car repainted it was very slightly darker but not even noticable, honestly I could even say it's a near 100% match, but yeah your bodyshop looks like they didn't do a good job matching.. :(
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thats what i thought, what do you guys think i should do? This is Holmes body shop in Riverside, should i have them try to repaint it or should i ask for a refund and take it somewhere else, and tofuproductions where did you take your car if you dont mind me asking?
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oh yea, bad color matching indeed.
Look in the second pic you can easily tell. No doubt about it. Good luck! |
take some day pics
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yea those pictures arent good enough. of course that side will be dark from that angle.
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Body shop didnt know how to match the paint.. take it back.
I had my plastic bumper and fiber glass skirts match perfectly w my car. The bumper is plastic and fenders are metal. Also your car color gets lighter from sun. The shop should still know how to get atleast a close match. Why should you pay for their mistake? or crappy job? Take it back. If they cant fix it ask for your money to take it to someone who can. :biggthumpup: |
OP...I never thought highly of Holmes Body Shop. I've take my car to Marcos Auto Body out in San Gabriel and I've referred many to them with excellent results. Definitely take it back to Holmes and have them redo it. If they can't or won't, let your insurance know and they'll take care of it.
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Redo! This problem happen to my Kuruma when I first got it. The shop I went to was suppose to be top notch but the color was slightly off. Me being me, had the shop redo it. Now it is perfectly matched.
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Yes that is some thing that needs to be fixed.
Im a painter so I just want to say your right in the fact that paint will look different on plastic from metal. Because of static that will make the paint dry at a different rate making the metalic look differnt. On top of the fact that it will look different you all so have the fact that there are 20+ different paint lines out there and your car has been in the sun,ect,ect BUT there are things a good painter will do to fix that. 1) Do test panels with the color to pick the best match before painting the part. 2) Tint the color as needed to adjust to the paint thats on the car. Just because the color is close dos not mean the side tone will be. 3)On plastic you can all so us a anti-static cleaner to help it dry at a different rate, givingit more time to "lay down" the way it needs to 4)BLEND BLEND BLEND. Some times with some colors and paint lines you just cant get the color a 100% So you get the color as close as you can and then blend it. For you that would be painting the bumper and then painting half your quarter panels and then clearing them. I can post pictures of what I mean if you need me to:) |
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Here are some pictures of the same thing. As you can see in the pictures the rear doors do not match the front doors (there darker) A body shop down the street painted them and did not tint the color right, and did not blend. So I sanded down the front and read doors and mixed the PPGFREAK's secret DG color and painted them:)
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1216081505.jpg http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1216081508.jpg So now its my turn:) http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...217081027b.jpg http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...217081026a.jpg |
So when I was done my my boss gave the other body shop the bill because they could not do it right. But the guy loved is car when it was done. So dont let them tell you it cant be done because I do it all the time!
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1217081313.jpg http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...217081313b.jpg |
I had the same thing happen to me when I painted part of my rear quarter panel and it did not match. I ended up repainting it and blending it with the door and bumper and now it matches 100% perfect! It was my first time painting and I'm happy with the outcome ( it has some small belimishes but I'm not repainting it just for a few small specks ).
FWIW, I had a body shop paint my trunk and the color is slightly off and they said that it could not be fixed due to the color of my car blablabla....I believed them and went on my way. Now I'm thinking of painting it myself seeing that my first time painting matched better than ther 1 millionth time...lol. |
ppgfreak...I have a question for you.
On my new paint, after it dried it developed some VERY tiny pores on some parts ( almost microscopic ). No one has been able to tell unless I showed them and it really doesn't bother me because you really can barely see it...but I'm worried about longetivity. Have you seen this happen before? I can take a pic of it because it's just too small but it looks like tiny microscopic pinholes on the smooth paint and only in a few areas. |
Originally Posted by PPGFREAK
(Post 4641825)
So when I was done my my boss gave the other body shop the bill because they could not do it right. But the guy loved is car when it was done. So dont let them tell you it cant be done because I do it all the time!
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1217081313.jpg http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...217081313b.jpg Damn these are nices pics to show where the holes are for the side molding :P If someone wants to remove them. |
OP, there are 2 shades of DG, they changed the color a tiny bit for like 06 or somewhere along that timeline. They painted it with the darker one, go back and get them to re-paint it with the lighter one for free.
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^There solvent pops:( There is a couple ways of getting them. But number one is let each coat dry longer before adding another coat on top of it. It traps the solvent and it needs to get out. If you put a coat on and its still wet then dont add another coat on top of it. Because then the first coat cant dry. You think your done because the top coat is dry. BUT the first coat you put on is not, so it finds it way out and ends up looking like little tiny holes. Hope that helps:)
OP sorry I did not mean to jack your thread. But if you have any questions let me know and I would be happy to help:) |
Originally Posted by PPGFREAK
(Post 4641888)
^There solvent pops:( There is a couple ways of getting them. But number one is let each coat dry longer before adding another coat on top of it. It traps the solvent and it needs to get out. If you put a coat on and its still wet then dont add another coat on top of it, because then te first coat cant dry. If that happens a couple time in the job then when you think your done because the top coat is dry. BUT the first coat you put on is not, so it finds it way out and ends up looking like little tiny holes. Hope that helps:)
OP sorry I did not mean to jack your thread. But if you have any questions let me know and I would be happy to help:) http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...R/IMG_2221.jpg Honestly, I can barely see it and if it's not going to make the paint job do bad in the next few months then I really don't care. Here are some pics to show the color matching ( door was untouched, only the quarter panel and bumper were touched ). http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...R/IMG_2219.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...R/IMG_2220.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...R/IMG_2226.jpg OP...considering that this was my first time ever doing this...I think you should ask to have you bumper matched better...or live with it. My garage floor really needs to be cleaned...lol....sanding down the car really got the floor dirty. |
PPG: too bad you aren't in California or I'd have you do it! What do you think I should tell them when they tell me that it's going to look darker regardless since paint looks different on plastic than paint since that's obviously what they will try to tell me, I'm going to take it to the dealership first and have them back me up and then head to the body shop
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Originally Posted by Ferrarimanic360
(Post 4641966)
PPG: too bad you aren't in California or I'd have you do it! What do you think I should tell them when they tell me that it's going to look darker regardless since paint looks different on plastic than paint since that's obviously what they will try to tell me, I'm going to take it to the dealership first and have them back me up and then head to the body shop
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^Just what I said in my first post. Yes it will look darker if you dont do anything to it. BUT there are things you can do to make it match better. If they are giving you a hard time let me know and I will call a PPG rep in CA I know and he will drive over there and teach them how to paint lol
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Shop with my DG stated there's 7 different shades of DG. Least that's what their database pulled up when factory color code was entered. They spent the time and matched spot-on with no blending. It can be done. Take it back.
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Originally Posted by V35 Skyline GT
(Post 4642081)
Shop with my DG stated there's 7 different shades of DG. Least that's what their database pulled up when factory color code was entered. They spent the time and matched spot-on with no blending. It can be done. Take it back.
When I painted Dupont I spent 2 days matching a color PBJ, and then with PPG I can pick up my gun and just paint that one part and its 100% Each paint line had there goods and bads. |
mine came out the same
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**UPDATE**
I went back to the body shop and i walked into the front office and let the guy in charge know that the paint was MUCH darker on the back and that it didnt match, at first he was trying to tell me the whole paint is always darker on the bumper bs but as soon as he walked outside he could tell that it was wrong, he went into the back to talk to someone else and came out and said they would fix it and were pretty apologetic so lets see what try #2 will do! Thanks to everyone and their advice i will keep you guys posted. |
^Ok but just keep in mind that your bumper on your car had paint on it. Then they painted if for you. Now thre going to add a 3rd layer of paint. 3 is ok but you dont want any more than that.
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Originally Posted by PPGFREAK
(Post 4642765)
^Ok but just keep in mind that your bumper on your car had paint on it. Then they painted if for you. Now thre going to add a 3rd layer of paint. 3 is ok but you dont want any more than that.
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Originally Posted by PPGFREAK
(Post 4642765)
^Ok but just keep in mind that your bumper on your car had paint on it. Then they painted if for you. Now thre going to add a 3rd layer of paint. 3 is ok but you dont want any more than that.
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I signed up for the autowatch thing where they take pictures of the various stages of the repair and it looks like they sanded it down? http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ize_image5.jpg
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tell em to redo it it should be free
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Damn PPGFREAK is all over this I have nothing to say but listen to what he says and yup Blend is your friend so re-do is a must.
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Originally Posted by Ferrarimanic360
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Dont they sand it down to take the old paint off?!
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Should I ask them to completely sand it off?! Or just let them do what they want as long as they repaint it, what harm would 3 layers of paint do?
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^Like I said, 3 layers is fine. But you dont want any more then that.
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**UPDATE**
As i mentioned previously, they ended up repainting it and it looks a little bit better but still isn't an exact match, ill post pictures up in a few. |
From this angle it looks completely fine but somehow the other side looks different? How is that even possible?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2794.jpg Big Difference on the other side http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2795.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2796.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2797.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2798.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2799.jpg |
Im so completely fed up with this body shop, i seriously never thought id regret going to a body shop the dealer told me to go to. I honestly dont know what to do from here since if i take it back all they are going to do is paint it again and that wont match most likely. Any help guys?
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it does look off...
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The right sides looks PERFECT.
The left side is off. Which means, It's your LEFT Quarter panel. Not the bumper. Maybe it's just the way the SUN is hitting it? Not sure. But the right side matches perfectly. Try taking the the pics with no shades hitting the car like it is in the pics. |
alright, i just went and took some pictures of the bumper in the shade and it seems fine? Maybe it was just the way the sun was hitting the car? Anyways if any of you paint experts could chime in it would be helpful!
The right side seems fine as before http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2800.jpg The left side seems fine now too? http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2805.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2802.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...0/IMG_2803.jpg |
Was your quarter panel ever painted?
It seems that the tints they used to make the color is good, but the way the color was applied makes the metal flakes luster differently making it look like a different color in bright light yet a similar color in the shade. I'll be honest...I've seen so many off color parts in silver cars that I believe the color is more the problem than the person painting it. This is why sometimes people get a dent in their trunk and you end up painting the entire trunk and quarter panels. Matching colors isn't easy. |
Originally Posted by GT-ER
(Post 4686710)
Was your quarter panel ever painted?
It seems that the tints they used to make the color is good, but the way the color was applied makes the metal flakes luster differently making it look like a different color in bright light yet a similar color in the shade. I'll be honest...I've seen so many off color parts in silver cars that I believe the color is more the problem than the person painting it. This is why sometimes people get a dent in their trunk and you end up painting the entire trunk and quarter panels. Matching colors isn't easy. Nah the quarter panel has never been repainted! |
Originally Posted by Ferrarimanic360
(Post 4686736)
Nah the quarter panel has never been repainted!
Heck, I've seen oem silver cars that have off colored bumpers. |
It seems like maybe it was just the way the sun hits it? I looked through the DG picture thread and i saw the same thing, maybe this is the closest it gets? here are some samples of what i found:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...02141743-1.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...re1042-2-1.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...-coupes--1.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...101_3099-1.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...021ea137-1.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...101_3078-1.jpg |
Yep, it was just the lighting. The right side matched up fine. In your other pic, there was a huge shade in the way.
So you were bltching and whining over nothing. You owe the body shop a huge apology for making them paint it twice for nothing. I would go there and give them a case of beer. |
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