LOL not trying to argue or anything just stating the facts. There are different kind of handling characteristics that each car has. One can put better skidpad numbers than the other or can change direction faster(slalom). Let me just say that 330zhp has better handling than any 5 series excluding the M. I have done a lot canyon runs with my friend's 330zhp with H&R race springs and i only had my tein-s counterfeit springs back then. First one i the car that he was following and he was keeping up very well, we went the same route back and He was the one that i was following and I was keeping up the same way that he was. Infact my friend was the one that noticed that i had better exiting speeds from the corners than him. I and my friend are better than average drivers with similar driving skills.

 

In my opinion the G wins over the 330 and A4 because of its size, The G35 sedan has a much more comfortable interior...espically the back seat.

Personally I think that the G35 should be compared more to the A6 and 5 series BMW.

 

what kind of power do you all think the new G will have?

 

been mentioned to have 300+

 

yeah 300+ what? 310, 320, 330 ??

 

Not known yet.

 

Well, I assure you that you can't. Stock 530i has good handling characteristics for its class, but it'll get its *** whooped all over the place by a stock G35. Not to mention the Inline 6 engine is way too weak for the weight of the car.

 

^I don't know about the weight of the car but it will be outhandled by stock G35. 530s weigh about 50lbs more than E90 3-series. So it is a spare tire difference.

 

I don't think the new 530i is week(255hp) for it's weight. Don't think that the car is big that means it has alot of weight. The 530i is not heavy at all(less than the G6mt) that means it will outhandle the G(even the auto G which is about 20lb less) because it is a BMW.

The point is that the BMW is the Ultimate Driving Machine.

 

I find this interesting.

Wasnt the 02-06 already the 330i's competitor? BMW made it seem like the g35 sedan wasnt anything compared to the 330i, and now they say that the all new 07 g35 sedan will be a competitor? Please!!! if the 02-06 g35 and 330i were very similar, then the 07 g35 sedan will definately be better than the current 330i.

Typical BMW' fanatics. Dont get me wrong, I love BMW's, but they've been in denial this whole time.

Bottom line is, the current G35 sedan is already a competitor to the 330i. Therefore, the 07 g35 sedan will overtake the thrown of the luxury sedan battle ( regarding 30-40k luxury sedans), for now. Expect BMW to take a pretty good counter-attack though.

BMW's will never become more of a bargain compared to Infiniti. If the G35 coupe were to have a BMW badge on it, I can assure you it would cost 10k more, easily.

The M3 is a totally different story though. Though like i said the G35 is a way better bargain (bang for your buck), the M3 is a beast. I wouldnt mind owning an M3 if possible.

 

I think you need to quote their entire statement in my post "Infiniti debuted the 2007 G35, a car that in its first iteration [emphasis added] finally put Infiniti on the map as a competitor to Lexus, Acura, and European luxury cars." They were not denying the 02-06 G35 models at all; indeed they stated that the G35 "in its first iteration" (i.e. 02-06) put us on the map.

I used to think the same thing but no longer have these opinions. First off, the BMW 330 is a much better engineered vehicle than the G35. I've driven both to the limit and can tell you that BMW spent alot more R&D $, especially on the chassis and drivetrain, than did Infiniti. BMW buyers are not paying the extra money just for a badge, they are paying for the engineering.

On the issue of "bargain", though I totally love my G35 and will keep and enjoy it many years, it's no longer the bargain compared to a 330. Yes, a comparably equipped 330 is $10,000 more, but when I factor in the money I spent on replacing my suspension, rims, and tires to match the 330 handling, plus the fact BMW provides free maintenance for the first 4 years, reduces this $10,000 margin considerably.

In terms of performance, our cars are heavier than the 330, and even with my suspension mods I had to sacrifice some ride quality to get the handling performance I wanted (a la 330).

On the flipside, the G35 is roomier, and I do earnestly believe Japanese manufacturing and assembley processes blow away BMW and other Europeans in terms of QC and reliability.

 

I think that's a fair take. For whatever reason, the 330i is a step up from the G35. Just like a Porsche 911 is better than a Z06 in most minds. I would still take the Z06 just like I would take the G35. I don't care about all that prestigious/German engineering garbage especially when it costs significantly more.

 

Talking with a friend the other day, he commented, 'I'd take a German car over a Japanese car, everything else being equal. German cars are engineered to run on the autobahn, so they slow down when they get here. Japanese cars, on the other hand, have to engineer-up to US speeds.'

He was speaking in terms of safety more than performance, but I hadn't thought about that, nor have I had a chance to really research it. Just thought I'd throw it out there for comment...

 

Did the mag mention the IS350 at all as serious competition?

 

Not knocking down BMW, but you are wrong with numbers:

530i is 3740 lb, 0.86g on 245/40/18 tires and 64.1 mph slalom(R&T datapanel-and yes, it is with sport package!))
2003 6mt is 3300+ 0.87 on skidpad on 215/55/17 tires(less rubber!) and 65 mph slalom. I couldn't find numbers for 06, which has better wheel/tire combo and only weighs ~3450 lb, which is still 300+ lb less tham 530.

These tests are done by pros who know how to push car to the limit. Saying that BMW will outhandle G, because it is BMW is silly.