G35 Sedan V35 2003-06 Discussion about the 1st Generation V35 G35 Sedan

Regular 87 Octane and Intro

Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ashadiow
My question though, is this, how much difference does 100 octane make? We have a place in town that sells 100oct race fuel. I have thought about buying it... but I don't know.
Without knowing how aggressive our fuel / timing maps are in this car, it's hard to say. Most cars of this ilk aren't uber-aggressive and won't advance the timing much more than would be appropriate for 91 octane fuel. In some cars you can modify the ECU or have the car chipped and then select a "race gas" ECU program that WILL take advantage of race gas; but I don't know if products like the technosquared chip for our car have such programs, or if the "stock" technosquared program advances timing sufficiently to take advantage of race gas.

You might see a slight improvement but without knowing how the ECU is programmed, it's really hard to say. The my350Z forum might be a better place to ask; you're more likely to find someone on there who understands the ECU and/or find more companies who do chip work on this platform.

...Oh and as far as the octane booster, you should just send me $5 in the mail and forget about it. Those products don't really do anything.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PotomacG
The 5AT sedan you own runs fine on 87 octane. I have parsonally spoken with Pat Goss and other mechanics who all support the fact that premium is not necessary in this car.
Well if Pat Goss says so, then it MUST be true.

lamesag35, why not go by what your owner's manual recommends? There's a reason they recommend what they do.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 08:33 AM
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When I get my G in a couple of days, I will check the owners manual and if it says 87 and recommends 91, I will get premium, if it says 87 with no other recommendation, I will also get premium as it is worth $100 or so a yr for piece of mind. I have always driven higher hp cars and I have never gotten anything other than premium gas. Maybe I am throwing my $ away, but I am not second guessing myself and that is worth something to me.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by skeleton_cru
Well if Pat Goss says so, then it MUST be true.

lamesag35, why not go by what your owner's manual recommends? There's a reason they recommend what they do.
Hey, hey .... I got a can if BG 44K out of the deal. Don't dis my friend Pat

Also, my owners manual only recommends 91 octane for increased performance. Minimum acceptible octane for my vehicle is 87.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PotomacG
Hey, hey .... I got a can if BG 44K out of the deal. Don't dis my friend Pat
LMAO
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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How does elevation factor into the equation?
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim_Stack
How does elevation factor into the equation?
Higher elevations should mean lower gas mileage regardless of octane. The reason being that there's less oxygen in the atmosphere at higher altitudes and therefore the engine can't produce as much power.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 11:55 AM
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Why wouldn't the octane level be the same number in all manuals?
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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FWIW, word is that all 2005s require 91 octane. The extra HP out of the engine for 2005.

I've noticed little difference in gas mileage and power on my 2004 sedan between 87 and 91. When the price difference is lower, I will use 91 on occasion, though normally I use 87.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kevink
....I've noticed little difference in gas mileage and power on my 2004 sedan between 87 and 91. When the price difference is lower, I will use 91 on occasion, though normally I use 87.
I was using nothing but 93 octane in my 2003.5 5AT for over a year and a half until it hit over $2.70 a gallon. That's when I switched to 87 and I haven't noticed any real difference in the car's performance. Modern engines are fantastic pieces of engineering. I have a friend with an '05 G35X and he has been using 87 fairly regularly since he bought the car (with no complaints).
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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Yeah but has his mileage been different? I would not put anything in less than 89 since they recommend 91. Or does it say requires?

Also if you guys get one of those cash back master cards they will give you like up to 5% cash back for purchases at gas stations. Now there is a no brainer huh. charge your gas and get cash back knocks off about 10 cent a gallon.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lamesag35
My gasoline question is I'd like to know why using 87 is a no-no as I've been doing this with absolutely no problem. The car runs beautifully and any difference with premium 91 (best we got in San Diego) is undetectable. There is no pinging at all that I can ascertain.
Thanks and I'm enjoying reading the forum.
That pinging is asynchronous combustion doing its best to knock a hole in the top of your piston(s). Also, pinging is not always audible to the human ear, and has to occur for the ECU to compenate, which is to say it's not instantaneous.

Originally Posted by lamesag35
The reason I'm being a cheapskate with the 87 is that in San Diego a tank of regular unleaded is already running about $47.00+.
Cheapskate and driving a premium auto? C'mon now.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SAL9000
Cheapskate and driving a premium auto? C'mon now.
Cheapskates come in all shapes and sizes. I happen to be one that also appreciates a nice car like the G35X. There is nothing inconsistent with being a cheapskate and driving a nice car.

As evidence, I suggest a look at the cars at your local Costco. Perfect car appreciation/cheapskate harmony.
 

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SAL9000
That pinging is asynchronous combustion doing its best to knock a hole in the top of your piston(s).....
Predetonation will do nothing to the top of your piston. Severe pinging might cause your connecting rod to detach and possibly put a sizeable hole in your cylinder head.

On an engine as modern as the VQ35, the knock sensors will keep the engine from pinging. This is why the manual for the 5AT sedan states that 87 octane is OK.

Isn't it nice to be able to tell other people how to spend their hard-earned money
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Question Huh?

87oct: 14 gallons at 2.10 per gallon = $29.40
Range = 14 gallons at 20mpg = 280 miles

91 oct: 14 gallons at 2.30 per gallon = $32.20
Range = 14 gallons at 23mpg = 322 miles
$29.40/280 miles=$0.105/mile
$32.2/322 miles=$0.10/mile
You save 1/2 cent per mile

, but you get the advantage performance benefits.
Each time youi USE that performance, you LOSE the mileage gain advantage!
 
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