AWD question, cant figuer out if it is needed
Originally Posted by GEE35X
In the winter I switch to Blizzak WS-50 tires on 16" alloys which are awesome.
I know this is a little of the subject, but even in regular weather...wouldn't AWD have better handling than the RWD?
Don't get me wrong though, the Gs AWD system is probably one of the best, if not the best system on the market because of the way is distributes the power and trys to keep a RWD balance in most situations.
Originally Posted by Lip
Wayne you do sound pretty pumped up
Can't wait to get this puppy out in the fluffy stuff.
Can't wait to get this puppy out in the fluffy stuff.
My wife has to go out of town on business quite often and she will travel 60 miles each way on sometimes very slippery and snow covered back roads cause the main roads are closed. As long as visibility is ok I don't worry cause she is in the G.
DaveB-The above reasons are why we went to the Blizzaks on the AWD, it is an unbeatable combinationn for inclement weather.
As a Minnesotan, I'll chime in here as well. I have driven FWD Vs. AWD. In the city, after a snow, there is nothing like AWD when trying to make a left turn in traffic after 2-6 inches of snow. AWD shoot across the intersection, FWD, white nuckle it.
Going up our hilly driveway; AWD just like summer, FWD get a running start or back up to the bottom and try try again .
We bought the X in July after test driving both versions last winter. So far we love the car!!
Going up our hilly driveway; AWD just like summer, FWD get a running start or back up to the bottom and try try again .
We bought the X in July after test driving both versions last winter. So far we love the car!!
Originally Posted by DaveB
IMO, it doesn't matter what kind of drivetrain you have if you encounter ice. Ice is ice and every vehicle behaves the same when hitting it. It doesn't care if you can spin 4 wheels or 2. I should know, my wife has a Legacy GT wagon
As for terrain in the Midwest, Kansas City is far from flat. Changes in elevation across the Kansas City metro range from 500' to 2100' depending on where you live. I encounter fairly steep hills on a daily basis and my G encountered them in 4" powder snow too. This car gets around better in the snow than my FWD Maxima 5MT did.
As for terrain in the Midwest, Kansas City is far from flat. Changes in elevation across the Kansas City metro range from 500' to 2100' depending on where you live. I encounter fairly steep hills on a daily basis and my G encountered them in 4" powder snow too. This car gets around better in the snow than my FWD Maxima 5MT did.
Well actually, at least around here, black ice is patchy in nature and with AWD you've got twice the possiblity that the one or two tires that are on dry pavement have power going to them, big difference. The Infiniti guys selling the X have a spiel they like to do. You pull off the road where there is gravel, so two left wheels on the road, 2 right wheels on gravel. They tell you to floor it, and you don't hear any gravel shooting out from the right side and you pull arrow straight ahead. It's impressive.
As to my hillyness comment, that's my experience and judging by other posts, other folk's experience too. Take it or leave it.
Not on Summer tires
If your G has summer tires, they are useless in even an inch of snow! I live in Philadelphia and had to go for Bizzaks for the winter. My 6MT almost spun at 10 mph on a level road as I tried to ease into a driveway.
With the Blizzaks I feel unstoppable. Well within reason.....
With the Blizzaks I feel unstoppable. Well within reason.....
Originally Posted by Lip
The Net:
Where the RWD model has a tendancy to oversteer, the AWD model has a tendancy to understeer(push) the front wheels wide, particularly when you apply throttle at mid apex.
The normal G will make better use of it's front wheels as they are not driven wheels. Therefore the front wheels can do what they do best, turn.
This in turn makes the car a bit easier to rotate through the turn, to the exit quicker, allowing users to control/adjust turn angle with the throttle in addition to the steering wheel. In the end the RWD car when driven well, is probably a quicker by a fair amount.
Where the RWD model has a tendancy to oversteer, the AWD model has a tendancy to understeer(push) the front wheels wide, particularly when you apply throttle at mid apex.
The normal G will make better use of it's front wheels as they are not driven wheels. Therefore the front wheels can do what they do best, turn.
This in turn makes the car a bit easier to rotate through the turn, to the exit quicker, allowing users to control/adjust turn angle with the throttle in addition to the steering wheel. In the end the RWD car when driven well, is probably a quicker by a fair amount.
X or not to X
I am in Toronto..
snow all over the Winter,
but i managed to do well with my RWD
i believe the VDC saved me a few times
but overall, the G is a very balanced and safe car
just get urself some good winter tires and drive safe
Cheers
snow all over the Winter,
but i managed to do well with my RWD
i believe the VDC saved me a few times
but overall, the G is a very balanced and safe car
just get urself some good winter tires and drive safe
Cheers
Originally Posted by calejohnson
I'm not sure I agree 100% with your analysis. Yes, the G35x will under steer, but mostly because of the added weight over the front wheels. As far as the "normal" G making better use of its front wheels, the G35X is a RWD car until the electronics/sensors call the front wheels into play. Just being in a turn, even an aggressive turn, is not necessarily going to call up front wheel drive.
They don't push too hard, and as you say, most of the push is probably due to the weight. As you pointed out, it's basically still a rear drive car until a slip. Getting on the throttle mid-turn will provoke understeer. It's not bad, just different. When the front wheels do dig in, I feel it's a bit more difficult to aim. It's an AWD car mid apex.
That being said, I also feel the handling dynamics are pretty damn solid, super predictable.
I think anyone who gets AWD because of the snow is making a mistake unless they live in Alaska. All RWD cars need is a good snow tire. My M3 couldn't get up the slight incline in my driveway with 1" of snow with all season tires, but I had no problems driving in the snow with Blizzaks. For around $800 you can get snow tires mounted on wheels form the Tire Rack. Also, keep in mind that AWD helps when you are going up snow covered hills, but it provides no help when going down hills. Snow tires help when either going up or down hills.
Originally Posted by FAST1
I think anyone who gets AWD because of the snow is making a mistake unless they live in Alaska.
Really !!!! I guess I really screwed up then
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I've read numerous reponse that Rwd + snow tires will make your way through the winter. However, can someone answer this question?
You woke up and on your driveway is 7+ inches of snow around your G rwd, can you get out from it?
What about you parked your car on a city block with cars in front and back of you with 7 inches of snow that just had fallen while you were working. Can you get it out with your rwd+snow?
Some of you might say, "Oh I have another car for winter...etc etc". But let's say you really need to get home and your only option is your own RWD G.
I know rwd + snow can get you on the road but the question is does rwd + snow get you out from your spot to drive onto the road?
I mean for AWD, you might have to wiggle your car a bit but getting out of 7+ inches of snow, or even 8 or 9 or 10, etc is an easy job. With FWD, you have a chance too even with crappy tires.
Nothing against rwd but just wanted how you guys repond to the question since I've asked it before and no one replied.
You woke up and on your driveway is 7+ inches of snow around your G rwd, can you get out from it?
What about you parked your car on a city block with cars in front and back of you with 7 inches of snow that just had fallen while you were working. Can you get it out with your rwd+snow?
Some of you might say, "Oh I have another car for winter...etc etc". But let's say you really need to get home and your only option is your own RWD G.
I know rwd + snow can get you on the road but the question is does rwd + snow get you out from your spot to drive onto the road?
I mean for AWD, you might have to wiggle your car a bit but getting out of 7+ inches of snow, or even 8 or 9 or 10, etc is an easy job. With FWD, you have a chance too even with crappy tires.
Nothing against rwd but just wanted how you guys repond to the question since I've asked it before and no one replied.
Last edited by mikeee2; Aug 8, 2005 at 04:45 PM.



