G35 Sedan V36 2007- 08 Discussion about the 2nd Generation G35 Sedan 2007 - 08

Straight Line Stability

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
  #16  
Old 05-22-2007, 08:58 PM
bkrider's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Boston/West Suburbs
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KJC5050
I picked up my G (Journey, Premium, LP/Stone) on Saturday and am utterly thrilled with the car... except for one thing which concerns me a little bit. When driving on the Interstate - or any highway, for that matter - the car seems to lack straight line stability. By that I mean that the steering seems a little twitchy, and the car seems to wander a bit. Granted, I live in Nebraska ( ! ) and, uh, it's occasionally a just a tiny bit windy. But compared to my old TL, the car seems a bit harder to keep tracking in a straight line. Am I alone, could this be an alignment issue... or any other thoughts?
First, remember the TL is front drive with probably 60% of the weight on the fronts. This will help stability at the cost of terminal understeer.

Second: My G35S is usually fine , but I have noticed it tramlining on rutted highways.

Third: have you checked tire pressure? If the backs are low, and/or the fronts high, the result is to promote oversteer, which can cause wandering. By the same token, you could try 31 psi front/35 psi rear (vs spec of 33/33), which promotes understeer, and see if it helps. Oh, and at the risk of stating the obvious, don't depend on the TPMs to tell you all tires are at correct pressure.
 
  #17  
Old 05-22-2007, 09:15 PM
theacolyte's Avatar
Spoon!
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Definate tramlining here in the Bay Area (CA).

The roads out here are pretty bad.

I've also noticed that if a road is grooved, my tires will catch them and backend wobble a slight amount, but it's felt through the steering wheel (which is very sensitive as has been mentioned).
 
  #18  
Old 05-22-2007, 09:28 PM
KJC5050's Avatar
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Big Sky Country
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bkrider
First, remember the TL is front drive with probably 60% of the weight on the fronts. This will help stability at the cost of terminal understeer.

Second: My G35S is usually fine , but I have noticed it tramlining on rutted highways.

Third: have you checked tire pressure? If the backs are low, and/or the fronts high, the result is to promote oversteer, which can cause wandering. By the same token, you could try 31 psi front/35 psi rear (vs spec of 33/33), which promotes understeer, and see if it helps. Oh, and at the risk of stating the obvious, don't depend on the TPMs to tell you all tires are at correct pressure.
Oh duh. That is so obvious... but of course I hadn't checked the pressure. I just went out (with a decent quality gauge, BTW) and 3 of the 4 tires were at about 36-37. Not huge, but who knows... I set the rears to 33 and the fronts to 32, and we'll see what it's like tomorrow. I suppose I could have the fronts at 31 with no issues. Thanks for your help...

kc
 
  #19  
Old 05-23-2007, 08:32 PM
AesonVirus's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (62)
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Central MA
Posts: 6,881
Received 85 Likes on 74 Posts
I heard some of the guys on the Lexus forum talking about this too with the IS350.

Seems they are finding that the bigger the tire, the more this occurs.
My X is still sporting the factory 17's and it's straight as an arrow on the highway, no matter the speed.
 
  #20  
Old 05-24-2007, 07:25 AM
KJC5050's Avatar
Registered User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Big Sky Country
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KJC5050
Oh duh. That is so obvious... but of course I hadn't checked the pressure. I just went out (with a decent quality gauge, BTW) and 3 of the 4 tires were at about 36-37. Not huge, but who knows... I set the rears to 33 and the fronts to 32, and we'll see what it's like tomorrow. I suppose I could have the fronts at 31 with no issues. Thanks for your help...

kc
It's much better since adjusting the tire pressure! One of the fronts was inflated to around 36 or so; both rears were high. Who knows? Combined with the relatively quick steering, windy conditions and a new owner, it must have been enough for the car to seem darty and twitchy.... I may put the fronts at 31 and drive it on the Interstate this weekend. But for now it seems vastly improved.
 
  #21  
Old 05-24-2007, 12:14 PM
G-Whizzer's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Pasadena California USA
Posts: 1,328
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Mine were close to 42 when I picked it up from the dealer... YIKES.
Once adjusted - MUCH better. Quiet and straight.
 
  #22  
Old 05-24-2007, 05:17 PM
htoudiee's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No problem here either. I've had the car to 100+ for a good 20+ times, at 135ish, the car does feel a tad not so much in control but that's 135+. At 110ish, it's stable as rock.
 
  #23  
Old 05-24-2007, 10:11 PM
iandi's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I also have noticed this issue in my 07 G35x (almost 7000 km's). Happens a little on rough roads, but really noticeable on streets with streetcar tracks (Toronto). I'll check the tire pressures....
 
  #24  
Old 05-25-2007, 01:20 AM
Redhawk's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KJC5050
I picked up my G (Journey, Premium, LP/Stone) on Saturday and am utterly thrilled with the car... except for one thing which concerns me a little bit. When driving on the Interstate - or any highway, for that matter - the car seems to lack straight line stability. By that I mean that the steering seems a little twitchy, and the car seems to wander a bit. Granted, I live in Nebraska ( ! ) and, uh, it's occasionally a just a tiny bit windy. But compared to my old TL, the car seems a bit harder to keep tracking in a straight line. Am I alone, could this be an alignment issue... or any other thoughts?
I own a G35 Sport. When I had the clear bra installed, I got a Journey as a loaner. Noticed the same issue - on the same stretch of road (freeway), the steering required ongoing minor adjustments, whereas with the sport, I have perfect stability. The only difference I noticed is that the Journey had Goodyear tires, the sport has Bridgestone Potenzas. I'm thinking it's the tires, and a greater tendency to tramline with the Goodyears.
 
  #25  
Old 05-25-2007, 01:20 PM
iandi's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Redhawk
I own a G35 Sport. When I had the clear bra installed, I got a Journey as a loaner. Noticed the same issue - on the same stretch of road (freeway), the steering required ongoing minor adjustments, whereas with the sport, I have perfect stability. The only difference I noticed is that the Journey had Goodyear tires, the sport has Bridgestone Potenzas. I'm thinking it's the tires, and a greater tendency to tramline with the Goodyears.

yup, I've got factory inst. goodyears
 
  #26  
Old 06-02-2007, 03:07 PM
ampsucker's Avatar
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeast Kansas
Posts: 101
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
a good rule of thumb is to have the car aligned for the first time after 12-15k miles. many suspension parts need to seat in to their rubber bushings and this mostly happens in the first year a car is on the road. also, you don't know if the factory settings are holding or were done properly on a recently calibration machine. one could hope, but....

here is what i do and recommend.

take car in for first 4-wheel alignment after first year or 15000 miles. ask for before and after printouts off the machine. this will also give you the ranges set by the factory (unless some kind soul is willing to post them up here on the board, hint, hint....). check the newly adjusted settings carefully. are they equal left and right and roughly in the middle of the factory settings? probably not. within range, is not equal to properly aligned. most alignment shops do not take the time to properly set caster and camber on each wheels unless you specifically request they hit a certain number. they do a think called "set the toe and let it go". that way they can do more alignments per day and make more money. some vehicles are actually quite difficult to adjust camber on. if it's within range, most shops will not mess with it even if both sides are not equal. the dealer should have the tools and procedures, but many techs aren't properly trained. you have to take control and take responsibility for making your car right.

if all settings not right, take it back and request them to do it again for free and do it right. if settings decent and car drives well, be happy. if you need additional tweeking, now you have he specs and can, for example, ask them to increase the rear camber slightly for better cornering, or increase the front caster up near the max of the range for more straight line stability. you should pay for these custom adjustments yourself. the big advantage of having the spec ranges is they can't balk because you are asking for something outside of the factory recommended range.

if you have lowered, install the correct parts necessary to allow the settings to be brought back into range. you have no room to complain if you can't attain the manufacturers suggested settings the car was originally engineered to due to installation of aftermarket parts.
 
  #27  
Old 06-02-2007, 05:54 PM
N50's Avatar
N50
N50 is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,115
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by G-Whizzer
No problems here... it was much worse with my FX and those wide tires.
On good pavement the G feels like it's not even moving.
Absolutely. The FX jumps around more than a one legged man in an azz kicking contest on rough roads. The G, at least so I experienced, was much more composed. I didn't notice any problems.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
THMotorsports
Suspension-Vendor
257
12-18-2018 05:43 PM
RemmyZero
V36 DIY
10
04-23-2018 11:13 AM
g.spot
G35 Cars
12
05-09-2016 10:54 PM
AL8782
G35 Coupe V35 2003 - 07
4
10-03-2015 10:26 AM
dcsbh1
Brakes & Suspension
0
10-01-2015 03:15 PM



You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Straight Line Stability



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:24 AM.