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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 12:17 AM
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The clutch on my 07 was a little tricky to get used to at first because the clutch in the 02 WRX felt different, but now I don't even notice it.

I have had many cars w/ sticks. The clutch in the G feels closest to my 85 Mustang GT.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@RiversideInfiniti
Why would anyone double clutch downshift a 6MT G?

The G is synchronised; I've yet to drive any car where I needed to double clutch except a few completely beat MT cars where the synchros are completely gone.

All you need to downshift is a simple heel-toe.
You're right, however, I AM double clutching. Most people single clutch downshift but I am doing the true pre-synchro days double clutch. There are some advantages but if I were to teach someone today or learn today I'd just recommend the single-clutch because modern cars are designed for it. To bring it back into context of the post, I find double clutching more involving and hence more fun so I've never had the desire to change my normal habits.

Most people only clutch in once (single clutch rev match or single clutch heel-toe) but for I was taught otherwise and now it's habit. It also helped that I had a couple cars with bad synchromeshes and found this cheaper than fixing the car.

Here's a video example:

I've read that double clutch action is better on the tranny because it speeds up other parts of the transmission including the synchros. In a nutshell, I just happen to be better at it and can do it just as fast as single-clutching so no reason to change.

When I need the brake, I throw the brake in with the left side of my foot which is technically (heel-toe + double clutch) which I commonly do. I just HATE calling it heel-toe since I don't use my heel. Modern cars no longer require heel action. If I do it, it's only for the nostalgia of doing it the OG way (my first car, Toyota Tercel required heel-toe due to the huge spacing between the gas and clutch). In that car it was worthless to do so anyhow, but I was in High School and it was the cool thing to do.

I'm not an expert on the terminology but I do what the guy in that video does and I do it really fast and can do it over a wide RPM range, like from 2k rpm cruise in 5th to a 5k powerband in 2nd in the blink of an eye. I can assuredly do it faster than any auto can and I can do it faster than tiptronic (since you would need to hit the paddle three times to get from 5 to 2).

To each their own. I will admit that recent autos like the G's have made tiptronic with rev-matched downshifts pretty darn good. Having a manual now isn't nearly as superior as it used to be, but it still is because of the technicality and mastery that can be achieved. You can't really "master" working an auto and feel good about it, whereas you can with a manual car.
 

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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ugaexploder
When you mention taking a 6spd in the GTR if they would've made it...you have to think about the difference in performance of a G and a GTR. I mean, your average Joe is not going to be able to drive a 6spd GTR....maybe even some experienced manual drivers will have trouble harnessing that kind of power in a manual gearbox. That goes for any high-powered supercar.

The two cars I was considering was the G and the M3...I would've taken the M3 in only a 6spd because the clutch is so long and you're able to modulate throttle and clutch easily. When I test drove the G, it just didn't feel right...even though I loved how short the throws were. But you're right about the 6MT experience factor, there is no doubt I woulda went with a 6spd for a sports car...but for a performance sedan, I'll go A/T every time
I understand your point, but I don't take my comment back. I'd rather have the inferior 6MT than the sequential box. Yes it wouldn't be as fast (straight or track), but it'd be more raw. It's the same concept for the Ferrari F355 (or any other Ferrari).

I fail to see the sports car vs sports coupe debate. I suppose if you were driving clients all day and/or on the cell phone all day in sales calls, the auto would be beneficial, but to me buying 6MT in a G37S vs a 4dr G35S is no different. In fact, it's more unusual in the sedan (different demographic), which in my opinion makes it all the more "special".

Now I'd rather own an S-Class Benz or LS460 in auto just because they're cruiser cars, but any car with spunk and sport in it (G35 included), give it to me in manual please.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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I gotta say that my 2008 G's clutch did have a horrible engagement point. That was solved with the furniture gliders mod. But the pedal still sits too high off the floor. I like to keep my left foot on the clutch most of the time unless I'm just cruising in the freeway for long distances. I have to really angle my left foot upwards to keep the left heel on the floor while having my foot on the clutch pedal. I will be lowering that clutch whenever I get some free time (and don't feel too lazy to do it). Sometimes I do think I should have gotten the AT. Oh well! I still love my G.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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Honestly the biggest problem is Nissan/Infiniti's craptastic build tolerances. You can hop into one 6M/T G and the clutch/shifter combo will feel sweet. Then you can hop into the car right next to it and it'll feel sloppy and twitchy. I'm sorry but it's the cold, hard truth.

I can tell you that my car definitely had an issue with the slave as the clutch progressively became stickier and softer. Since I had the slave replaced, the clutch has not gotten any softer, but that doesn't mean the car still isn't a pain sometimes. It seems that Infiniti sacrificed some refinement in terms of everyday driveability for better performance when you're really opening the car up as the clutch seems to do it's job fine when I'm ripping off a quick shift. It's when I'm putzing around at 5mph in the parking lot that it can be a pain in the neck sometimes although I've gotten used to it for the most part.

To be honest, my problem is not with the clutch, but with my car's horrible throttle response. When I tip in, I want throttle on demand. The top half inch or so of my pedal is nothing but dead space. The needle doesn't move at all until I push past that bit. Annoying as f**k when you're trying to launch on a hill and you expect throttle and don't get it. Then you push harder to compensate but end up pushing too far and the car lurches. There's a blatant lag between the time I put my foot down on the gas and the time the car responds and it's annoying as hell. Service recently did a cold start reflash but it hasn't done jack all to remedy the problem. I need to have them look at my car again.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bruddahmanmatt
Honestly the biggest problem is Nissan/Infiniti's craptastic build tolerances. You can hop into one 6M/T G and the clutch/shifter combo will feel sweet. Then you can hop into the car right next to it and it'll feel sloppy and twitchy. I'm sorry but it's the cold, hard truth.

I can tell you that my car definitely had an issue with the slave as the clutch progressively became stickier and softer. Since I had the slave replaced, the clutch has not gotten any softer, but that doesn't mean the car still isn't a pain sometimes. It seems that Infiniti sacrificed some refinement in terms of everyday driveability for better performance when you're really opening the car up as the clutch seems to do it's job fine when I'm ripping off a quick shift. It's when I'm putzing around at 5mph in the parking lot that it can be a pain in the neck sometimes although I've gotten used to it for the most part.

To be honest, my problem is not with the clutch, but with my car's horrible throttle response. When I tip in, I want throttle on demand. The top half inch or so of my pedal is nothing but dead space. The needle doesn't move at all until I push past that bit. Annoying as f**k when you're trying to launch on a hill and you expect throttle and don't get it. Then you push harder to compensate but end up pushing too far and the car lurches. There's a blatant lag between the time I put my foot down on the gas and the time the car responds and it's annoying as hell. Service recently did a cold start reflash but it hasn't done jack all to remedy the problem. I need to have them look at my car again.
Get the TSB on the throttle sensitivity done, you'll feel a significant improvement on the gas pedal
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bruddahmanmatt
Honestly the biggest problem is Nissan/Infiniti's craptastic build tolerances. You can hop into one 6M/T G and the clutch/shifter combo will feel sweet. Then you can hop into the car right next to it and it'll feel sloppy and twitchy. I'm sorry but it's the cold, hard truth.

I can tell you that my car definitely had an issue with the slave as the clutch progressively became stickier and softer. Since I had the slave replaced, the clutch has not gotten any softer, but that doesn't mean the car still isn't a pain sometimes. It seems that Infiniti sacrificed some refinement in terms of everyday driveability for better performance when you're really opening the car up as the clutch seems to do it's job fine when I'm ripping off a quick shift. It's when I'm putzing around at 5mph in the parking lot that it can be a pain in the neck sometimes although I've gotten used to it for the most part.

To be honest, my problem is not with the clutch, but with my car's horrible throttle response. When I tip in, I want throttle on demand. The top half inch or so of my pedal is nothing but dead space. The needle doesn't move at all until I push past that bit. Annoying as f**k when you're trying to launch on a hill and you expect throttle and don't get it. Then you push harder to compensate but end up pushing too far and the car lurches. There's a blatant lag between the time I put my foot down on the gas and the time the car responds and it's annoying as hell. Service recently did a cold start reflash but it hasn't done jack all to remedy the problem. I need to have them look at my car again.
That used to be my largest complaint too, but I had the 028a flash done and everything is fine now!!!
 
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