Actually, it means exactly what it says. And, it is a phrase which has been used quite often over the last 60 years in motor journalism. Basically, if you want to drive fast on a closed course and are willing to give up some comfort or some of the little things that make public driving more enjoyable, buy the 335i. Or, if you want to drive fast on open roads, in comfort with the little things that make public driving more enjoyable, buy the G37s.

 

So, when they write that they like BMW it's always what they really mean, but when they say they like the infiniti then it's because they want advertising dollars? Makes total sense.

And what part about the G vs. M is fuzzy? G is equivalent of the 3-series and the M is the 5-series (BMW). How did that change?

Lastly, you guys are blowing the "softening" of the car way out of proportion. The G37 handles better than the car it replaces and is more refined. Those are both good things. Why are people trying to turn this around to a negative? It's not like the original G35 was supposed to be a lightweight, sharp handling sports car. It was always going up against the 3-series, not a lotus elise or the corvette. The original G was supposed to be the car the G37 is now, but Infiniti bad design made it vibrate, noisy, and slow (compared to the g37). Trust me, the vibrating shifter was not done on purpose.

 

it's likely that nissan will release a car that's a more sport version of the g37 coupe.

 

I think they call it the Z.

 

^ I hope that Z can hall ***. If someone is running 13.4s on an '07, I want damn near 12s!

 

Yep! If you just want a performance vehicle... get the upcoming Z.

 

Of course.. I am always right.

 

The problem is luxury = weight

The G37 probably has an airbag for each glove box.

 

I thought there was only one glove box.

 

So, when they write that they like BMW it's always what they really mean, but when they say they like the infiniti then it's because they want advertising dollars? Makes total sense

I suppose it depends upon how you perceived the G35 coupe. I perceived it as Infiniti's performance coupe. So when the next iteration arrived, it shouldn't have been surprising that I would expect a performance improvement, just like we got from the 335 over the 330. So when R&T writes that although the G37's HP has been increased to 330 but there's no differance in performance between the G35 and G37, I'm disappointed and I believe many others are based on our recent poll. And yes IMO, suggesting that the G37 rides nicely on the highway would be what I would call throwing Infiniti a bone.

And what part about the G vs. M is fuzzy? G is equivalent of the 3-series and the M is the 5-series (BMW). How did that change?

BMW offers the 5 series as their mid-size luxury car, and the 3 series is their compact performance offering. I have to acknowledge that the lines between the 3 and 5 series were a lot more distinct in the past than they are today, so yes to some extent I have the same issue with BMW.

Lastly, you guys are blowing the "softening" of the car way out of proportion. The G37 handles better than the car it replaces and is more refined. Those are both good things. Why are people trying to turn this around to a negative? It's not like the original G35 was supposed to be a lightweight, sharp handling sports car. It was always going up against the 3-series, not a lotus elise or the corvette. The original G was supposed to be the car the G37 is now, but Infiniti bad design made it vibrate, noisy, and slow (compared to the g37). Trust me, the vibrating shifter was not done on purpose.

Infiniti was not circumspect about what their intent was when they developed the G35. It was definately aimed squarely at the BMW 3 series, and there's no question that Infiniti took some market share from BMW. Infiniti's pitch was that you could have BMW performance for a lot less money. So BMW responded with the 335 which blew away the G35 form a performance perspective. Infiniti's response: more refinement and no improvement in performance.

Now I'm not suggesting that Infiniti's response won't be successful. The G37 may out sell the G35 as far as I know. It's just that the G37 isn't what I had hoped it would be, and hence I won't be buying one.

 

Ok, class dismissed.

 

^^^LOL!

 

umm...buhbye.

 

So Infiniti will have a few less enthusiasts, but a lot more customers. Some of you guys talk about ALL OUT RAW PERFORMANCE, the Nissan Z covers that aspect. When you buy the car with an Infiniti emblem instead of a Nissan emblem, expect luxury. Luxury Sport cars are meant to be luxurious and performance, emphasizing the importance of luxury first, hence, "Luxury Sport." If you don't think the car is FAST for every day driving, pick up the Nissan Z.

For what reason do you have to buy an Infiniti over a Nissan? for performance? Is it the prestige of the brand? Well prestigiousness comes out of luxury. So, how come you guys chose Infiniti over Nissan? The answer is because you are willing to sacrifice some performance for luxury.

 

Not for me! Unless practicality (in my case, cargo space) counts as luxury... I know, why didn't I just buy an SUV instead? Well, I hate trucks in any form. Most handle like s***, are worse on gas, and aren't fast enough for me. Why not get a sexy, sporty coupe that can hold all the stuff I haul around? Best of bost worlds. If they made a 4-seater 350Z with the same roominess as the G, I probably would have bought one. For me, the luxury part was just a bonus...

Personally, I consider myself an enthusiast and was expecting a decent increase in performance and a nicer-looking body on the G37. Unfortunately, the concept photos were a lot nicer than what came to be and there's only a slight jump in HP, virtually no gain in torque, and extra weight. Sorry Infiniti, 'guess I'll be sacrificing the luxury next time around for a more affordable, roomier, and faster (sub-5-second 0-60 club) Camaro.