installed plenum spacer ...WOW!!!
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Originally Posted by maxspeed96ct
So I installed the blox plenum spacer today, after i bought it i read some bad reviews on it, and some good revies .
Since i already paid for it, i put it on today.
Took 30 minutes
First thing I noticed after install is the RPM's drop alot slower then before , I think it must be from the extra air that stays in the manifold after the throttle closes . Its nice between shifts im only looseing bettweeen 1~1.5k in RPMS.
any one else notice this ?
Also the car seems to pull alot harder over 5.5k rpms
And the car does sound diffrent, ( im running z-tube with a stock box
) , my stillen box is coming any day.
As far as heat, the manifold was untouchable after a long drive before the install.
After install i went a long run of some hard driving, and placed my hand on the manifold. It still was really hot and burned alil but i was able to keep my hand on it for a while.
I hope this thing doesnt melt, wish me luck guys. So far i think its a good 100$ spent
O and BTW im fukced, the mod bug has officialy bit me ..... Berk HFC's coming soon to
Since i already paid for it, i put it on today.
Took 30 minutes
First thing I noticed after install is the RPM's drop alot slower then before , I think it must be from the extra air that stays in the manifold after the throttle closes . Its nice between shifts im only looseing bettweeen 1~1.5k in RPMS.
any one else notice this ?
Also the car seems to pull alot harder over 5.5k rpms
And the car does sound diffrent, ( im running z-tube with a stock box
) , my stillen box is coming any day.
As far as heat, the manifold was untouchable after a long drive before the install.
After install i went a long run of some hard driving, and placed my hand on the manifold. It still was really hot and burned alil but i was able to keep my hand on it for a while.
I hope this thing doesnt melt, wish me luck guys. So far i think its a good 100$ spent
O and BTW im fukced, the mod bug has officialy bit me ..... Berk HFC's coming soon to
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The spacer alone on a Revup engine doesn't do much, you really need the modified lower plenum.....MREV.....or a non-revup lower plenum to get the most out of it. I too think your butt dyno is playing tricks on you.
4-500 for an isothermal spacer? wow, where are you shopping? It's $220 for the 5/16 and $295 for the 1/2".
4-500 for an isothermal spacer? wow, where are you shopping? It's $220 for the 5/16 and $295 for the 1/2".
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QUALITY.
The difference is alot like the differences in exhaust systems.
China made exhaust systems easily cost 1/4 to 1/2 as much as Japanese or American made exhaust systems. All exhaust systems are made of bent pipes but when you look closely at both, the differences and details become apparent.
It would be easy to cut spacer manufacturing costs to 1/4 by outsourcing all the manufacturing to China, but Motordyne would never do that. The Motordyne niche is in quality engineering, reliability and 100% customer service.
Blox and Motordyne are worlds apart in these areas.
Sometimes cutting corners won't result in adverse affects. Sometimes it does.
When quality control is not strictly maintained it can results in things like this.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...3&postcount=13
Quality, reliability and customer service is Motordyne's top priority.
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The difference is alot like the differences in exhaust systems.
China made exhaust systems easily cost 1/4 to 1/2 as much as Japanese or American made exhaust systems. All exhaust systems are made of bent pipes but when you look closely at both, the differences and details become apparent.
It would be easy to cut spacer manufacturing costs to 1/4 by outsourcing all the manufacturing to China, but Motordyne would never do that. The Motordyne niche is in quality engineering, reliability and 100% customer service.
Blox and Motordyne are worlds apart in these areas.
Sometimes cutting corners won't result in adverse affects. Sometimes it does.
When quality control is not strictly maintained it can results in things like this.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...3&postcount=13
Quality, reliability and customer service is Motordyne's top priority.
.
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The Skunk and Blox plastic spacers only provide thermal isolation to the upper plenum.
The Motordyne Iso Thermal and Copper Iso Thermal provide thermal isolation to both the upper and lower plenum.
The lower plenum has much more total exposed surface area than the upper plenum. The lower plenum also has intake runners with much higher flow velocities, higher turbulence and thiner boundary layers. Overall, the total heat transfer is much less when the upper and lower plenum are both thermally isolated.
There is also one other important issue to consider that the plastic spacer companies do that Motordyne would NEVER do. (Leave the throttle body unheated when driving in very cold weather.)
Nissan (Infiniti) intentionally heats the throttle body for safety reasons. This is to insure the throttle body doesn't get iced up when driving in very cold or snowy weather.
If for example you were driving on the freeway in cruise control for ~20min in very cold or snowy weather, an unheated throttlebody could have ice buildup inside of it causing the butterfly valve to be frozen to the open position.
So when you tap on the gas to release the cruise control, the ECU will try to close the throttle body and stop fuel flow to the engine. But if the butterfly valve is stuck in the open position, air will continue to flow into the engine causing lean out and stalling. This of course would never be a good thing to happen while driving.
Every throttle body, in every car, of every major automotive manufacturer in the world, the throttle body is heated specifically to avoid this condition. It is a corner that should never be cut. Its a corner Nissan doesn't cut. Its a corner Motordyne doesn't cut.
1) The Motordyne basic spacer keeps the entire plenum hot all the time. (just like stock)
2) The Motordyne Iso Thermal is switchable. It heats the throttle body only when you need it. But the CCV must be switched on when it gets cold outside. If you live in a place like California, Florida, Texas or Hawaii the regular Iso Thermal is a good option.
3) The Copper Iso Thermal is fully automatic. Just install it and forget it. It always gives the best results without adjustment and is always safe. If you live in Alaska, New York, Canada, Montana, Colorado or any place where it gets similarly cold... use the Copper.
The thing to take from it all is that Motordyne Iso Thermal spacers have a lower overall heat transfer than the plastic spacers and they don't introduce the risk of throttle body freezing.
Iso Thermal is one of many other engineering details where design quality makes a difference.
Last edited by Hydrazine; 01-28-2009 at 02:12 AM.