Which overlays should i get?
Originally Posted by g35 chippie
Just be forewarned:
26101. No person shall sell or offer for sale for use upon or as
part of the equipment of a vehicle, nor shall any person use upon a
vehicle, any device that is intended to modify the original design or
performance of any lighting equipment, safety glazing material, or
other device, unless the modifying device meets the provisions of
Section 26104. This section does not apply to a taillamp or stop
lamp in use on or prior to December 1, 1935, or to lamps installed on
authorized emergency vehicles.
This is NOT a correctable violation. This is not just a $10 fix-it-ticket. Not only do you have to return the taillamps to orginal condition, but in Santa Clara County, this ticket is running about $160. Just so you are aware.
26101. No person shall sell or offer for sale for use upon or as
part of the equipment of a vehicle, nor shall any person use upon a
vehicle, any device that is intended to modify the original design or
performance of any lighting equipment, safety glazing material, or
other device, unless the modifying device meets the provisions of
Section 26104. This section does not apply to a taillamp or stop
lamp in use on or prior to December 1, 1935, or to lamps installed on
authorized emergency vehicles.
This is NOT a correctable violation. This is not just a $10 fix-it-ticket. Not only do you have to return the taillamps to orginal condition, but in Santa Clara County, this ticket is running about $160. Just so you are aware.
I looked up section 26104 and it said: (a) Every manufacturer who sells, offers for sale, or manufactures for use upon a vehicle devices subject to requirements established by the department shall, before the device is offered for sale, have laboratory test data showing compliance with such requirements. Tests may be conducted by the manufacturer.
So more specifically, what are the specific requirements established by the DMV?
Read on my friend. The Vehicle Code is a tool available to everyone. You have to understand how it works first. It isn't that difficult once you understand where everything is. Heck, I only have a public high school education and I can get through it.
290. "Department" means the Department of Motor Vehicles except,
when used in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 2100) of Division 2
and in Divisions 11 (commencing with Section 21000), 12 (commencing
with Section 24000), 13 (commencing with Section 29000), 14
(commencing with Section 31600), 14.1 (commencing with Section
32000), 14.3 (commencing with Section 32100), 14.5 (commencing with
Section 33000), 14.7 (commencing with Section 34000), and 14.8
(commencing with Section 34500), it shall mean the Department of the
California Highway Patrol.
26104. (a) Every manufacturer who sells, offers for sale, or
manufactures for use upon a vehicle devices subject to requirements
established by the department shall, before the device is offered for
sale, have laboratory test data showing compliance with such
requirements. Tests may be conducted by the manufacturer.
(b) The department may at any time request from the manufacturer a
copy of the test data showing proof of compliance of any device with
the requirements established by the department and additional
evidence that due care was exercised in maintaining compliance during
production. If the manufacturer fails to provide such proof of
compliance within 30 days of notice from the department, the
department may prohibit the sale of the device in this state until
acceptable proof of compliance is received by the department.
As to what those are specifically, I don't know. It would take some research. Or read Division 12 which talks about light requirements. If the taillamps are blacked out, are the red reflectors functional anymore?
24607. Every vehicle subject to registration under this code shall
at all times be equipped with red reflectors mounted on the rear as
follows:
(a) Every vehicle shall be equipped with at least one reflector so
maintained as to be plainly visible at night from all distances
within 350 to 100 feet from the vehicle when directly in front of the
lawful upper headlamp beams. Blah, blah, blah....And it goes on from there.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/veh_..._contents.html
290. "Department" means the Department of Motor Vehicles except,
when used in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 2100) of Division 2
and in Divisions 11 (commencing with Section 21000), 12 (commencing
with Section 24000), 13 (commencing with Section 29000), 14
(commencing with Section 31600), 14.1 (commencing with Section
32000), 14.3 (commencing with Section 32100), 14.5 (commencing with
Section 33000), 14.7 (commencing with Section 34000), and 14.8
(commencing with Section 34500), it shall mean the Department of the
California Highway Patrol.
26104. (a) Every manufacturer who sells, offers for sale, or
manufactures for use upon a vehicle devices subject to requirements
established by the department shall, before the device is offered for
sale, have laboratory test data showing compliance with such
requirements. Tests may be conducted by the manufacturer.
(b) The department may at any time request from the manufacturer a
copy of the test data showing proof of compliance of any device with
the requirements established by the department and additional
evidence that due care was exercised in maintaining compliance during
production. If the manufacturer fails to provide such proof of
compliance within 30 days of notice from the department, the
department may prohibit the sale of the device in this state until
acceptable proof of compliance is received by the department.
As to what those are specifically, I don't know. It would take some research. Or read Division 12 which talks about light requirements. If the taillamps are blacked out, are the red reflectors functional anymore?
24607. Every vehicle subject to registration under this code shall
at all times be equipped with red reflectors mounted on the rear as
follows:
(a) Every vehicle shall be equipped with at least one reflector so
maintained as to be plainly visible at night from all distances
within 350 to 100 feet from the vehicle when directly in front of the
lawful upper headlamp beams. Blah, blah, blah....And it goes on from there.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/veh_..._contents.html
Thanks for the warning Chippie. I guess I won't be blacking out my taillights anytime soon. But just a question... how specific is this law? Since the GTR overlays have holes cut out for the lighting, it isn't affecting how the lights work, right? So I guess my question is... how legal are those?
26101. No person shall sell or offer for sale for use upon or as
part of the equipment of a vehicle, nor shall any person use upon a
vehicle, any device that is intended to modify the original design or
performance of any lighting equipment, safety glazing material, or
other device, unless the modifying device meets the provisions of
Section 26104. This section does not apply to a taillamp or stop
lamp in use on or prior to December 1, 1935, or to lamps installed on
authorized emergency vehicles.
.."orginal design." The officer would have to prove in court, what is the original design? How would the officer know? What experience does the officer have with factory lighting on G35's? Was taillamp design, specific to G35's, taught at the Academy or in any other POST certified course? I can tell you, we do see a lot of car designs cause we drive 100-200 miles a day. I get pretty good at telling what kind of car I'm behind based on taillamp design. But, not every officer is in to cars. Some can't tell the difference between a Camry and an F-150. Well....maybe not a Camry. It is the #1 stolen car, so we all pretty much know what that looks like. Anything more specific I would really have to research, like calling the Vehicle Code instructor at the Academy for clarification. Sections listed below may help. Other than these, I might have to dive into Title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, which is even more boring than the Vehicle Code.
26102. In the event any equipment in actual use meets the
requirements of this code or a department regulation adopted pursuant
to this code, a subsequent regulation shall not require the
replacement of the equipment and shall be applicable only to
equipment installed after the effective date of the regulation.
26103. (a) The department may adopt and enforce regulations
establishing standards and specifications for lighting equipment
listed in Section 375 and for safety belts, safety glazing material,
safety helmets, sirens, tire traction devices, bunk stakes, and
synthetic binders. The standards and specifications may include
installation and aiming requirements.
(b) If there exists a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard
adopted pursuant to the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
of 1966 (15 U.S.C. 1381 et seq.) covering the same aspect of
performance of a device, the provisions of that standard shall
prevail over provisions of this code or regulations adopted pursuant
to this code. Lamps, devices, and equipment certified by the
manufacturer to meet applicable federal motor vehicle safety
standards as original equipment on new vehicles and the identical
replacements for those items need not be certified to the department.
part of the equipment of a vehicle, nor shall any person use upon a
vehicle, any device that is intended to modify the original design or
performance of any lighting equipment, safety glazing material, or
other device, unless the modifying device meets the provisions of
Section 26104. This section does not apply to a taillamp or stop
lamp in use on or prior to December 1, 1935, or to lamps installed on
authorized emergency vehicles.
.."orginal design." The officer would have to prove in court, what is the original design? How would the officer know? What experience does the officer have with factory lighting on G35's? Was taillamp design, specific to G35's, taught at the Academy or in any other POST certified course? I can tell you, we do see a lot of car designs cause we drive 100-200 miles a day. I get pretty good at telling what kind of car I'm behind based on taillamp design. But, not every officer is in to cars. Some can't tell the difference between a Camry and an F-150. Well....maybe not a Camry. It is the #1 stolen car, so we all pretty much know what that looks like. Anything more specific I would really have to research, like calling the Vehicle Code instructor at the Academy for clarification. Sections listed below may help. Other than these, I might have to dive into Title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, which is even more boring than the Vehicle Code.
26102. In the event any equipment in actual use meets the
requirements of this code or a department regulation adopted pursuant
to this code, a subsequent regulation shall not require the
replacement of the equipment and shall be applicable only to
equipment installed after the effective date of the regulation.
26103. (a) The department may adopt and enforce regulations
establishing standards and specifications for lighting equipment
listed in Section 375 and for safety belts, safety glazing material,
safety helmets, sirens, tire traction devices, bunk stakes, and
synthetic binders. The standards and specifications may include
installation and aiming requirements.
(b) If there exists a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard
adopted pursuant to the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
of 1966 (15 U.S.C. 1381 et seq.) covering the same aspect of
performance of a device, the provisions of that standard shall
prevail over provisions of this code or regulations adopted pursuant
to this code. Lamps, devices, and equipment certified by the
manufacturer to meet applicable federal motor vehicle safety
standards as original equipment on new vehicles and the identical
replacements for those items need not be certified to the department.
unless they are blind as a bat, i think anyone can see your car from 150 feet. Cops have better things to do than get you for your lights, and if i was a cop, i would be pulling over civics, and integras with blacked out lights, rather than a G35 with PARTIALLY blacked out lights. Not saying they wont, because alot of them are a-holes, but again, unless your doing something wrong in the first place, then i doubt they would waste their time on it.
I have Bats full smoked 6/10th overlays, and i have been pulled over 5 times now and none of them complain or even mentioned the taillights. i was pulled over for other things
. but if you go with the gtr cutouts in either 6/10 or Opaque you will be fine. i still suggest Opaque.
. but if you go with the gtr cutouts in either 6/10 or Opaque you will be fine. i still suggest Opaque.
Originally Posted by RST531
I have Bats full smoked 6/10th overlays, and i have been pulled over 5 times now and none of them complain or even mentioned the taillights. i was pulled over for other things
. but if you go with the gtr cutouts in either 6/10 or Opaque you will be fine. i still suggest Opaque.
. but if you go with the gtr cutouts in either 6/10 or Opaque you will be fine. i still suggest Opaque.
), never for the tail lights.
I don't have an 08' coupe, but I have an 05 and got the GTRs about two years back from Bat. I got 6/10 and have OB exterior. I specifically got the GTRs since I live in CA and the cops suck, because that way I'm not blocking the taillight or the brakelights.... I got pulled over two weeks ago for rolling a stop sign and the cop basically walked around my car and nailed me for anything he could. He got the windows and no front plate but didn't say anything about the overlays on the taillights. IMO I would def get the GTRs in CA and I think you'll be safe because you can at least make an argument with the cop right there that you aren't blocking the functionality of the light....
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