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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Why We Should Be Happy About Gas Being @ $4/gl

Hey guys I am at work bored out of my mind, so I decided to read about articles on gas prices and here is a really good article from La Times about why we should be happy about $4/gl gas.

If MoveOn and Barack Obama really were going to bravely confront America with hard, necessary truths, they'd tell us how great $4 gas has been for us. With public transit use nationally at a 50-year high, traffic dropped 2.1% in the first four months of this year across the country. That mileage reduction -- along with people driving smaller cars, and more slowly, to save gas -- could mean that 12,000 fewer people will die in traffic accidents this year, according to a study by professors Michael Morrisey at the University of Alabama at Birmingham and David C. Grabowski at Harvard Medical School. Air pollution has been reduced enough, according to UC Davis economics professor J. Paul Leigh, to prevent 2,200 respiratory-related deaths over the last year. Less eating out and more walking and biking could mean a 10% reduction in obesity, according to Charles Courtemanche, an assistant economics professor at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. And, apparently, higher gas prices also keep econ professors employed.

Yes, it's easy for me to revel in $4 gas because I'm rich. And because my wife and I own a Mini Cooper and a Prius. And because I work at home. And because some of the mutual funds I own contain a fair amount of Exxon Mobil stock. And because I'm brave enough to ignore the manufacturer's suggestion to use high-octane gas.

Cheap gas is unfair. Driving creates huge social costs in the form of traffic, health-damaging pollution and global warming that aren't suffered solely by the person buying the gasoline. Governments usually set up idiotic systems to offset such social costs (emissions trading, ethanol subsidies, taco truck regulations) instead of forcing individuals to pay for their own mess by adding a tax to remedy the imbalance. That kind of tax -- the most fair kind, really -- is called a Pigovian tax, and its use is why gas costs $8 to $10 a gallon in Europe, where they have fewer road deaths even though they drive like complete idiots.

If the U.S. were to slowly jack up gas taxes until we're in the $8 range, life would be better. We'd not only be safer and have reduced greenhouse-gas emissions, we'd probably be happier too. Studies show that the only thing that consistently increases personal happiness is social interaction; high gas prices have led to real estate prices falling faster in suburbs and exurbs than in cities, so we may soon have more content downtown-dwellers. Those same studies show that the thing that makes people least happy is commuting, and telecommuting is way up this year. We could use the tax revenue to fund public transportation. And we'd go back to the days when driving a car was a way to show people what a rich jerk you were. In other words, we would no longer need SUVs for that.

Sure, $8 gas is unfair to poor people, but so is all of capitalism. Rich people get more of the globe's resources. No one has a right to cheap gas any more than he has a right to other things needed for a full and productive life, like an iPhone or a weekly newspaper column where you can tick people off.

We spent 50 years using government money to build the freeways that led to the driving-centric, mall-rat lifestyle I grew up with, so it will surely take decades more to restructure our society into something better. And as bummed as I am to pay a lot for gas, it's a fair price for improving society. I also think government should look into some kind of heavy taxation on Facebook usage.

jstein@latimescolumnists.com


*P.S. Gas in my country Bosnia & Herzegovina is $10/gl average.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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It is all relative, unfortunatly not all citys have good public transportation. If there was an amazing aubway system in the us, then I think more people would utalize it more like NYC
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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thats a different way to look at it.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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if only we could get it expensive enough so they couldnt afford as many cops on the roads :P jk just not as many random traffic cops... of course that would kill their money supply... = fail
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 04:16 PM
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way to spin it.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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wow very interestingg
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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That's why we need that high speed rail system. SF to LA in 2.5 hours.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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if it didnt take 2hrs on public transit to get to my work and they ran later i would... but id rather just drive 20minutes
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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It depends where you are at, when i lived in SF didnt mind taking public trans because it was readily available. sacramento on the other hand... heat+1h or longer wait with many stops... not worth it...

i do like the fact that there are noticebly less people on the road, i see gas prices going up as sorta a "use the road tax" .

gas is decent where it is and people pay alot more for other things. look at it this way

Soda from vending machine (.75 cents/can) : $8 /gallon

Bottled Water ($1.50 for 20 oz.) : $9.50 /gallon

Ben and Jerry’s ( $3.99 / pint ) : $31.92 / gallon

Corn Syrup ($5.79 / quart) : $23.16 /gallon

Milk : $4.49 / gallon

Paint : approx. $30 / gallon
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 10:12 PM
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^haha great comparison, very innovative
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 11:09 PM
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I agree with the article, but I do hope that it stays between 4-5 for a long, long time.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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but in the end, the happiest of them all is the oil companies...
 
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