SF Wek'Fest 2010 Coverage [80 photos] / Marcus Cooke Photography
When you have these type of car shows/competitions, where the outcome base largely if not entirely on subjective-ness of the judges, likes of beauty pageants or figure skating, and unlike competitions where the outcomes are objectively determined, such as 100 meter dash or Curling, we are essentially asking for judge’s opinion to determining the outcomes. Whether we agree with them or not, whether we like the end results or not, we can not condemn them for giving us precisely what we asking for, their opinion.
I am sure few people here might agree with me, when I say MzInfiniti20 probably should’ve placed as well, but isn’t it just my opinion or does make it a fact? Am I to think I would be that full of myself, when the judges didn’t agree with me, that I need to go around whining about how sad that judges cant be less biased? Not that I don’t agree with you but isn’t it your opinion as well, when you said BigC or anyone else for that matter, should’ve placed or does it became a fact when you said so? Then how can we turn around and criticizing the judges? Especially when we asked them to give us their opinions in the first place.
Its irresponsible and inherently dangerous to said judges were bias and insinuating there are something improper going on, just because you, me or anyone else don’t see eye to eye with the judges on the outcome, its slap to the faces of those whom placed, saying nothing of being a hypocrite when we do.
I am sure few people here might agree with me, when I say MzInfiniti20 probably should’ve placed as well, but isn’t it just my opinion or does make it a fact? Am I to think I would be that full of myself, when the judges didn’t agree with me, that I need to go around whining about how sad that judges cant be less biased? Not that I don’t agree with you but isn’t it your opinion as well, when you said BigC or anyone else for that matter, should’ve placed or does it became a fact when you said so? Then how can we turn around and criticizing the judges? Especially when we asked them to give us their opinions in the first place.
Its irresponsible and inherently dangerous to said judges were bias and insinuating there are something improper going on, just because you, me or anyone else don’t see eye to eye with the judges on the outcome, its slap to the faces of those whom placed, saying nothing of being a hypocrite when we do.
I completely agree with what you're saying, and have been a judge at major events myself (I've run the judging for Spocom the past 2 years), so I know how difficult of a job it is. While I placed at this show, I myself find the judging biased and a little questionable at this event. In my opinion any person judging or involved with the show on any level, should not have a car entered, and should be as far removed from the competitors/teams as possible - otherwise you'll have people questioning the outcome, no matter how accurate the results.
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
I completely agree with what you're saying, and have been a judge at major events myself (I've run the judging for Spocom the past 2 years), so I know how difficult of a job it is. While I placed at this show, I myself find the judging biased and a little questionable at this event. In my opinion any person judging or involved with the show on any level, should not have a car entered, and should be as far removed from the competitors/teams as possible - otherwise you'll have people questioning the outcome, no matter how accurate the results.
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
I couldn't agree more to what's been said!
Awesome Show! Very organized and very well run...
All of the cars were "spectacular"!!
Marcus...simply amazing!!!
I hope your feeling better too!!!!
I completely agree with what you're saying, and have been a judge at major events myself (I've run the judging for Spocom the past 2 years), so I know how difficult of a job it is. While I placed at this show, I myself find the judging biased and a little questionable at this event. In my opinion any person judging or involved with the show on any level, should not have a car entered, and should be as far removed from the competitors/teams as possible - otherwise you'll have people questioning the outcome, no matter how accurate the results.
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
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I completely agree with what you're saying, and have been a judge at major events myself (I've run the judging for Spocom the past 2 years), so I know how difficult of a job it is. While I placed at this show, I myself find the judging biased and a little questionable at this event. In my opinion any person judging or involved with the show on any level, should not have a car entered, and should be as far removed from the competitors/teams as possible - otherwise you'll have people questioning the outcome, no matter how accurate the results.
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
Like Chris said, it's just a car show, and like I've said before, it's my favorite show of the year hands down. This year was bigger and better than last year, and the crowds and quality of cars was completely crazy. With that said, I'm looking forward to seeing what future events come out of the Wekfest/Weksos Industries group, because the team and I had a great time at this last show.
Congrats to all the winners, all of the cars looked outstanding!
BTW, great pics Marcus!
Not want to assume anything, but we might think of same person here. I don’t know how many time I have told the same person before, along the lines of “If you can not do it better and cleaner than others? don’t do it at all, you are just asking for trouble” or “don’t do things or say things that will leave wrong impressions to others and only gonna come back to haunt you down the road”, but of course, no one ever cared to listens to me, and only to find themselves in the sticky situation and being attacking from left and right.
Either way, glad you and your team had good time at this show, and please enjoy all the success of your future endeavors.
I agree with you on that one. But don’t you find that kinda sad tho? just to show others that the show is on the level and to quieting some potential criticisms, one would need to excuse themselves to be judged, or to be the judge, they have to leave their car behind, I mean we really cant trust judges to be impartial and accept the judge’s decisions? I think no matter how much you try to be impartial, or even leave yourself out, when people put so much premium on winning, they will always find the ways to be critical of outcome if themselves or their friends didn’t win.
Not want to assume anything, but we might think of same person here. I don’t know how many time I have told the same person before, along the lines of “If you can not do it better and cleaner than others? don’t do it at all, you are just asking for trouble” or “don’t do things or say things that will leave wrong impressions to others and only gonna come back to haunt you down the road”, but of course, no one ever cared to listens to me, and only to find themselves in the sticky situation and being attacking from left and right.
Either way, glad you and your team had good time at this show, and please enjoy all the success of your future endeavors.
Not want to assume anything, but we might think of same person here. I don’t know how many time I have told the same person before, along the lines of “If you can not do it better and cleaner than others? don’t do it at all, you are just asking for trouble” or “don’t do things or say things that will leave wrong impressions to others and only gonna come back to haunt you down the road”, but of course, no one ever cared to listens to me, and only to find themselves in the sticky situation and being attacking from left and right.
Either way, glad you and your team had good time at this show, and please enjoy all the success of your future endeavors.
I don't really find it sad, it's just common sense and basic ethics. You don't compete when you're a judge... this is one time where you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. I would love to have had my car entered at some of the shows I have judged, but have always either entered it as "display only" (to promote the team and company), or have left it out all together. What's the point in entering my car in a show I'm judging, so I can give myself an award? There's no point in that, and even if my car was better than all the other cars, I still wouldn't compete if I was judging.
Plus by doing something like that, it brings into question the integrity of the judging system in general. I personally could care less about the trophies, I go to the shows simply to hang out with my friends, display my car, and answer questions. Honestly, I love watching people check out my car, and am proud every time a team mate, or friend on another team wins something. I enjoy the atmosphere and the crowd, and the only time I question or complain is when I see something first hand that is shady.
In the end though, you're right... no matter how accurate and fair the judging system, people will complain and find fault. However, the responsibility lies with the event organizers and the judging staff to be as fair and unbiased as possible, otherwise what's the point?
Either way, I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone, and like I said, all the cars at this event were of the highest quality and all of them had a fair shot at winning. The judging problem is something I wish would have been avoided, but it's done and hopefully won't happen at future events.
Thanks for the response and the kind words, I really appreciate it!
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I don't really find it sad, it's just common sense and basic ethics. You don't compete when you're a judge... this is one time where you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. I would love to have had my car entered at some of the shows I have judged, but have always either entered it as "display only" (to promote the team and company), or have left it out all together. What's the point in entering my car in a show I'm judging, so I can give myself an award? There's no point in that, and even if my car was better than all the other cars, I still wouldn't compete if I was judging.
Plus by doing something like that, it brings into question the integrity of the judging system in general. I personally could care less about the trophies, I go to the shows simply to hang out with my friends, display my car, and answer questions. Honestly, I love watching people check out my car, and am proud every time a team mate, or friend on another team wins something. I enjoy the atmosphere and the crowd, and the only time I question or complain is when I see something first hand that is shady.
In the end though, you're right... no matter how accurate and fair the judging system, people will complain and find fault. However, the responsibility lies with the event organizers and the judging staff to be as fair and unbiased as possible, otherwise what's the point?
Either way, I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone, and like I said, all the cars at this event were of the highest quality and all of them had a fair shot at winning. The judging problem is something I wish would have been avoided, but it's done and hopefully won't happen at future events.
Thanks for the response and the kind words, I really appreciate it!
Plus by doing something like that, it brings into question the integrity of the judging system in general. I personally could care less about the trophies, I go to the shows simply to hang out with my friends, display my car, and answer questions. Honestly, I love watching people check out my car, and am proud every time a team mate, or friend on another team wins something. I enjoy the atmosphere and the crowd, and the only time I question or complain is when I see something first hand that is shady.
In the end though, you're right... no matter how accurate and fair the judging system, people will complain and find fault. However, the responsibility lies with the event organizers and the judging staff to be as fair and unbiased as possible, otherwise what's the point?
Either way, I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone, and like I said, all the cars at this event were of the highest quality and all of them had a fair shot at winning. The judging problem is something I wish would have been avoided, but it's done and hopefully won't happen at future events.
Thanks for the response and the kind words, I really appreciate it!
You mentioned SPOCOM before, as you might’ve known, they are hosting one of the screening for it, what if an car didn’t get in at their screening, but got in at subsequent screening events the other shops are hosting, how would they able to explain that? Does any one think that’s going to end well. Why they have need to position themselves in that situation is beyond me, but I can only hope they will able to live and learn, from afar.
OP and others looking for pics, I will refraining from further comments.
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Well, that’s something they have not being able to grasp does far, or more than likely they just don’t care.
You mentioned SPOCOM before, as you might’ve known, they are hosting one of the screening for it, what if an car didn’t get in at their screening, but got in at subsequent screening events the other shops are hosting, how would they able to explain that? Does any one think that’s going to end well. Why they have need to position themselves in that situation is beyond me, but I can only hope they will able to live and learn, from afar.
OP and others looking for pics, I will refraining from further comments.
You mentioned SPOCOM before, as you might’ve known, they are hosting one of the screening for it, what if an car didn’t get in at their screening, but got in at subsequent screening events the other shops are hosting, how would they able to explain that? Does any one think that’s going to end well. Why they have need to position themselves in that situation is beyond me, but I can only hope they will able to live and learn, from afar.
OP and others looking for pics, I will refraining from further comments.
get togethers and meets dont have this kind of drama...
why does anyone need to win a prize for their car? I've noticed that most shows judge based on things that I think make no sense anyway... no offense to anyone (seriously) but I dont understand modding a car with performance parts that defeat the purpose of performance (I'm not going to give examples because I dont want anyone to think I'm referring to them specifically)...
Meets are cool because like-minded enthusiast get to have out together and check each others rides - but so many shows have so much underlying drama about judging and favoritism... I just dont get it.
I've only entered 2 car shows (years ago) - and the first time was so turned off by the goo goo ga ga over multi TV screens and lambo doors... I had no real interest after that... the second time though was a more grassroots true enthusiast style - but was mostly classic Zs (that one was way more enjoyable).
Anyway - just felt compelled to give my impression... I enjoy sharing the passion and creativity of modding our cars - but I think the "judging" stuff is whack.
why does anyone need to win a prize for their car? I've noticed that most shows judge based on things that I think make no sense anyway... no offense to anyone (seriously) but I dont understand modding a car with performance parts that defeat the purpose of performance (I'm not going to give examples because I dont want anyone to think I'm referring to them specifically)...
Meets are cool because like-minded enthusiast get to have out together and check each others rides - but so many shows have so much underlying drama about judging and favoritism... I just dont get it.
I've only entered 2 car shows (years ago) - and the first time was so turned off by the goo goo ga ga over multi TV screens and lambo doors... I had no real interest after that... the second time though was a more grassroots true enthusiast style - but was mostly classic Zs (that one was way more enjoyable).
Anyway - just felt compelled to give my impression... I enjoy sharing the passion and creativity of modding our cars - but I think the "judging" stuff is whack.
Zack, I agree with your opinions on the show judging .
I did see things at the show I didn't agree with either and also heard about some things I wouldn't agree with either. People may think how could I complain since I won 1st place.
I am a true enthusiast, I doubt if any one on this forum has been doing this longer than I have, competed at more shows, won more awards, and judged more shows. I have seen so many changes over the years. I do car shows because I enjoy it. It is appreciated when people enjoy seeing how much work is put into making such a piece of art. I am a very competitive person, so sure I want to win, but I want to win or loose Fairly. Wining is a since of accomplisment.
I was a judge at the Very first ever Hot Import Nights. My team at the time had all their cars there, I had both of mine there. Not every one on the team was a judge, but No One on the team competed for the show. The same thing happend when we did all the judging for Extreme Autofest Shows. I have since retired as a judge. When I was a judge I was always fair to the contestants and show promoter. May the Best cars win. I did my best to treat everyone with respect no matter what the condition of their car was. After all, they paid money to be there. If people would ask advice I would always be glad to point out their flaws to help them succed in the future.
This was my first time at SF Wekfest, and I hope this event can continue to grow and be succesful.
I also like bigc's insight. Just go to the show, hang out with your friends, meet new friends and have fun. I also like how he teases me not to show up at the shows so others could have a chance to win, it is because we have respect for each other.
.I did see things at the show I didn't agree with either and also heard about some things I wouldn't agree with either. People may think how could I complain since I won 1st place.
I am a true enthusiast, I doubt if any one on this forum has been doing this longer than I have, competed at more shows, won more awards, and judged more shows. I have seen so many changes over the years. I do car shows because I enjoy it. It is appreciated when people enjoy seeing how much work is put into making such a piece of art. I am a very competitive person, so sure I want to win, but I want to win or loose Fairly. Wining is a since of accomplisment.
I was a judge at the Very first ever Hot Import Nights. My team at the time had all their cars there, I had both of mine there. Not every one on the team was a judge, but No One on the team competed for the show. The same thing happend when we did all the judging for Extreme Autofest Shows. I have since retired as a judge. When I was a judge I was always fair to the contestants and show promoter. May the Best cars win. I did my best to treat everyone with respect no matter what the condition of their car was. After all, they paid money to be there. If people would ask advice I would always be glad to point out their flaws to help them succed in the future.
This was my first time at SF Wekfest, and I hope this event can continue to grow and be succesful.
I also like bigc's insight. Just go to the show, hang out with your friends, meet new friends and have fun. I also like how he teases me not to show up at the shows so others could have a chance to win, it is because we have respect for each other.