Now that I ordered the Nismo type S Suspension, should I also order Stillen's Camber Kits? Will a 1.1" drop throw off the camber that much?

I figure if im paying a shop to put the new suspension on, i should have them put the camber kits on the same time since it will be cheaper then having to bring the car back later. But if you guys dont think I need them, then i'll hold off on buying them.

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lower the car past 1" and you will have a camber... you will see when you change your tires... IMHO get the camber kit.

you might as well get the sway bars too...

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IMO, save a few bucks and get the Kinetix or the SPC camber rod and the SPC toe bolt cam for the rear. This will run you about $220 - $265 instead of $750 for the stillen rods.

All of the front camber arms for the front are very spendy except the kinetix that's around $400. Stillen hasn't announced their price on the front but I suspect it'll be somewhere around $700-$900.

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All right. If I get aftermarket 19's do I need a camber kit? My car is not lowered one bit.

If I decide to lower the car what would happen if I didn't buy any camber adjustment?

Lastly, if I spend $3000 on wheels and tires, how much more will I need to spend on a decent suspension and camber adjustment to gain a set up that is "stiffer" than stock and has slightly "less understeer" (or is more neutrally balanced)?

PS, Not trying to thread jack, just expanding on the initial question.

TIA,
Neffster

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If you don't lower it, you should be fine.

It depends on the amount of drop and your G. Some people make use the same springs/coilovers and get the same drop but get very different alignment results. Anything over 3/4" imo will probably require a camber kit. You might get lucky though.

This depends on what kind of spring/coilovers you get. Most transfer stiffness to the front except for the RSR Ti's for the 350z and the JIC coilovers. This will increase understeer. Hotchkis sways at ~$240-$250 will help as will choice in tire size. Most people go with 245/275 to maintain stagger. I would recommend 255/275 to decrease understeer. There will still be adequate stagger as some people seem to be running non staggered set-ups with no problems.

 

I went ahead and ordered the camber kit for the rear from stillen, also put in a pre-order for the front camber kit when it comes out in two weeks. I know it was pricey but figured what the hell i'm spending $4200 on tires and rims and $1700 for suspension, might as well finish it off right. They also talked me into there Exhaust and Cold Air Intake. Think i'm up to 8 grand now Forgot how expensive it gets to mod your car.

Im going to wait till I get the front camber kit before installing everything. When I do i'll upload some pics

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So to recap (I can be slow sometimes, I like to refer to it as thorough [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img])

1. Wheels alone I'll be fine... 255/35 and 275/35 is better for a "more neutral" car than the 245/35 and 275/35.

2. If I go with the TEIN suspension ~$1600-ish I can drop my G and may or may not need a camber kit. (How will I be able to tell?)

3. If I get a suspension I'll need an alignment, right? And if so, how long do I wait before I get one?

4. If I do need a camber kit then how much will it cost and what brand is recommended? Do I install the camber kit before the alignment?

5. If I've gotten to step 4 then I'll need either the Stillen or Hotchkis sways at this point which run somewhere around $200-ish. This will help make the car more neutral, correct?

Am I missing anything besides the things I have ?'s by?

TIA,
Neffster

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2. it depends on how much you drop it with coilovers. It doesn't matter if you're doing springs v. coilovers. It's the amount of drop and your car's range of adjustment (everyone's seems to be a little different) that will determine whether a camber kit is necessary. The coilovers do not have any camber adjustability.
3. It's always a good idea to get an alignment. Springs tend to take a little while to settle. I'd drive on it for at least 2-3 weeks before taking it in.
4. Stillen is overpriced IMO. Get the SPC camber rod and the toe cam bolts for the rear. ~$220 for proper camber and toe adjustability. You can install them before but I wouldn't drive on them for too long. Or, you could just ask the alignment shop if they will install it during the alignment. They'll probably charge you extra though. Shop around or pay the piper at a shop you're comfortable with.
5. it depends on where you set them. If you transfer stiffness to the rear, then yes, you'll get rid of additional understeer. IE if you went full soft up front and full soft in the rear, you'd transfer about 45% of stiffness to the rear. I'd suggest trying something closer such as middle front and full soft in the rear, which is only 24% stiffer in the rear first and adjust up to where you like it.

6. read Gsedan35's posts for spring rate information. pic out a set that transfers some roll stiffness to the rear. Most do not. This will help get rid of some of the understeer.

 

Stupid question maybe...

why would someone use a camber vs tows vs cambers AND tows...

I lowered my car with Hotchkis coils with stock 18" with resulting mild camber. about 1" drop.

Suggestions?

doc

 

Honestly it depends. I did a post of camber questions and stuff. I cant find my post because the search wasnt that useful. But in any how. It depends

If your going to drop on stock wheels. Yes you will need one.

If your going to lower on aftermarket wheels. It all depends on the width and offset you go with. In most cases you wont need camber.

My mistake at first was i went with the Stillen camber kit. It was REALLY EXPENSIVE. I recently sold them and got the kinetix ones. Those are very reasonably priced. Go with those.

If you have anymore question PM i will be more than happy to answer them.

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where is the cheapest place to buy the spc or kinetix camber kit?

 

Hey Rashman1450, how come you sold the Stillen camber kit? Since you alrady bought them, how come you just didnt use them? Or did u find someone to buy them off you for the same price you bought them for?

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where is the cheapest place to buy the spc or kinetix camber kit?

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The cheapest place to buy them is from the Kinetix web site. thier site is http://www.kinetixracing.com

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Hey Rashman1450, how come you sold the Stillen camber kit? Since you alrady bought them, how come you just didnt use them? Or did u find someone to buy them off you for the same price you bought them for?

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Its funny that you ask this. My friend owns a 350Z. He recently got into a car accident and his suspension was totally messed up. There was a wait to get the stillen camber kit but he didnt want to wait. SO his body shop and i made a deal and we both came out happy in the end. With the money i had just gotten i went and got the kinetix camber kit. It works just as fine but for a much cheaper price. Go with the kinetix ones. Money well spent




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For those of you with the Kintex or considering the Kintex rear camber correction rods, do I need to get the camber
correction rod and the toe correction "PACKAGE" they
sell, or do I just need the camber correction rod?

My ride is lowered on Eibachs and its a coupe.

Thanks.

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