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Old 08-25-2008, 10:32 AM
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8's in Doors

I'm looking to see if anyone here has 8" mids in their doors and if they wouldn't mind sharing their install process, any fabrication required, and even pictures.

I'm looking to put 10's in the doors and I'm wondering what issues I may come accross or even if 10's are do able, especially with a mounting depth of nearly 5". I'm sure I can fit 8's, but I want to be unique and want to go with 10's, as I've seen only a handful a setups with 10" midbass drivers in the doors.
 
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One member did a nice writeup on his installation of 8 inch Morel or Seas drivers in the door for a SQ competition sedan. Search for those terms and you may find it. I can't remeber his name right now.
 
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In my last car, I had a set of 3-ways, Morel 8s, Morel 4s and Vifa ceramic tweets. The 8s were in the door panels, comps in kickpanels...
I had a (far more experienced) friend do the install, which basically included sealing the door frame with dynamat, creating MDF buildouts to mount the speakers, and installing a gasket around the speaker itself for a good seal. Essentially he turned the door itself into an enclosure. I had a JL 300/2 powering the midbasses, and they would pound. Throaty guitar stuff like Linkin Park was amazing. The buildouts should screw into the OEM location with recessed screws (so everything is flush), and then you can drill "new" mounting holes into the buildout, pretty much however you want to do it.

I'd suggest starting with buildouts, but if that ends up sticking out too far (keep in mind the excursion of the cone obviously) then you can either go with thinner MDF, you can choose some other material (i've seen crazy people use billet aluminum), or you could start trimming the door frame, which really isn't recommended if you want the car to go back to stock.

The reason for using the buildouts is that you obviously can't put an 8" speaker in a 6" hole, so the extra distance means that you just have to fit the magnet through the OEM speaker hole and position accordingly.

On a separate note I probably wouldn't suggest 10" midbasses simply because it's probably not necessary and you might end up having a hard time with it. Go with some good 8s and extra power, it's more than enough. The only thing a 10" driver will really get you is lower frequency extension, and IMO my 8" morels had enough/too much of that. I highpassed them once I added my sub, so it would not have made much sense to put bigger drivers in there.

Midbass drivers are meant to do midbass, and do it well. Leave the sub bass for the trunk. Since sub-bass is so omni-directional, and since you'll have so much midbass coming from the front, the sub bass will blend into the front stage anyway... no need to produce that range from the front of the car.

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Old 08-26-2008, 05:18 PM
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Very bottom of this thread:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3749444

That's essentially what you do. I used one 3/4" thick piece, and mounted it to the door frame (inside the door panel), I didn't make something to add on to the door panel.

But you get the idea.
 
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Originally Posted by lancer
In my last car, I had a set of 3-ways, Morel 8s, Morel 4s and Vifa ceramic tweets. The 8s were in the door panels, comps in kickpanels...
I had a (far more experienced) friend do the install, which basically included sealing the door frame with dynamat, creating MDF buildouts to mount the speakers, and installing a gasket around the speaker itself for a good seal. Essentially he turned the door itself into an enclosure. I had a JL 300/2 powering the midbasses, and they would pound. Throaty guitar stuff like Linkin Park was amazing. The buildouts should screw into the OEM location with recessed screws (so everything is flush), and then you can drill "new" mounting holes into the buildout, pretty much however you want to do it.

I'd suggest starting with buildouts, but if that ends up sticking out too far (keep in mind the excursion of the cone obviously) then you can either go with thinner MDF, you can choose some other material (i've seen crazy people use billet aluminum), or you could start trimming the door frame, which really isn't recommended if you want the car to go back to stock.

The reason for using the buildouts is that you obviously can't put an 8" speaker in a 6" hole, so the extra distance means that you just have to fit the magnet through the OEM speaker hole and position accordingly.

On a separate note I probably wouldn't suggest 10" midbasses simply because it's probably not necessary and you might end up having a hard time with it. Go with some good 8s and extra power, it's more than enough. The only thing a 10" driver will really get you is lower frequency extension, and IMO my 8" morels had enough/too much of that. I highpassed them once I added my sub, so it would not have made much sense to put bigger drivers in there.

Midbass drivers are meant to do midbass, and do it well. Leave the sub bass for the trunk. Since sub-bass is so omni-directional, and since you'll have so much midbass coming from the front, the sub bass will blend into the front stage anyway... no need to produce that range from the front of the car.

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Too many is never too many, lol. I think I will go with 8's because it will be more practical. It would be nice to have 10's but 8's will fit in much easier. Thanks for the info and the whole thing about doing the baffles first makes sense.

With my Accord I did the baffles but I didn't mount them flush, it definitely would be easier to figure out whether there is enough clearance. 10's are interesting as I mentioned, but 8's are prob the way to go.
 
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MiloX also used 8" dyns in his sedan and has a thread on this forum.

What 8" are you planning to use?

Are you going 2 or 3 way?
 
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Planning on going 3 way and using the Peerless SLS mids more than likely, but I'm not settled on it yet.
 
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MiloX is who I was thinking about but couldn't remember his name.
 
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Originally Posted by SR20DET510
MiloX also used 8" dyns in his sedan and has a thread on this forum.

What 8" are you planning to use?

Are you going 2 or 3 way?
8" two-ways? nah...

In case you haven't discovered it...
www.madisound.com
 
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Originally Posted by lancer
8" two-ways? nah...

In case you haven't discovered it...
www.madisound.com
Yep, great site..

A 2 way setup with 8's is possible..just gotta use horns.
 
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Originally Posted by donpisto
Yep, great site..

A 2 way setup with 8's is possible..just gotta use horns.
horns in car are out of my league, but I hear you can have amazing results with them...

...and then people ask you "you have horns under your dash? Attached to your stereo?"
 
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Originally Posted by lancer
horns in car are out of my league, but I hear you can have amazing results with them...

...and then people ask you "you have horns under your dash? Attached to your stereo?"
Lol, I got quite a chuckle out of that. I've heard a setup with horns and it sounds amazing. The guy has them crossed at 900 Hz I believe.
 
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Lol, I got quite a chuckle out of that. I've heard a setup with horns and it sounds amazing. The guy has them crossed at 900 Hz I believe.
One of those "this is loud as hell right now but it doesn't sound loud at all" type of setups? Yeah, that's how you know you did a good job
 
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Originally Posted by lancer
8" two-ways? nah...

In case you haven't discovered it...
www.madisound.com
8" 2 way set up is possible!

Supremo and Piccolo, FTW! No need for horns!
 
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