JL 10" w3v3 single vs dual subs
#1
11-18-2009, 05:56 PM
JL 10" w3v3 single vs dual subs
I am debating between a single 10" jl w3v3 or to install 2 of them in a coupe. For those who have similiar setup, is a single 10" enough bass? Or should I go with dual setup? With either setup, I will have it wired up to a jl 500/1 amp. Also, if I go with single setup, is the zenclosure box with offset for amp front mount better choice or should I go with the box with speaker in the center? Wasn't sure if the one with front amp mount would work that well since the wires would have to be run in awkward spot underneath the box. Any suggestions is appreciated.
#2
11-18-2009, 06:07 PM
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11-18-2009, 08:41 PM
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11-18-2009, 08:49 PM
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11-19-2009, 12:22 PM
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#8
11-19-2009, 06:41 PM
#9
11-19-2009, 08:30 PM
If i had to put my two cents in, it would be to go the route of the dual subs...in my experience and my tastes, a single ten has never been enough for me. I always find them working too hard to put out what I want, and I am not a bass head. If you go two, you have twice the cone area and double the output. Plus, the less hard you work the subs the more musical they play, which in my case is what i am going for...
simply put...it's a matter of "headroom" as music is dynamic, notes, beats, etc. are played at different volumes, so you need to have enough dynamic headroom to play musical peaks well. Without headroom, then your music will suffer. So, I am always a proponent of "more" even if normally you won't use it. Do I need 100 watts per tweeter? No, but it's there if the music calls. Same plays with the subs, mids, amps, etc.
again, just my two cents...
simply put...it's a matter of "headroom" as music is dynamic, notes, beats, etc. are played at different volumes, so you need to have enough dynamic headroom to play musical peaks well. Without headroom, then your music will suffer. So, I am always a proponent of "more" even if normally you won't use it. Do I need 100 watts per tweeter? No, but it's there if the music calls. Same plays with the subs, mids, amps, etc.
again, just my two cents...
#10
11-19-2009, 08:55 PM
I ordered 2 w3v3 but wasn't sure if I should buy the box to install both now or sell both and get a w6 instead.
#12
11-20-2009, 03:50 PM
it truly is up to you and how you like your music to sound
2 10's will have much more cone area vs 1 10" or even 1 12"
This doesn't mean they will be louder in all cases, it will just be easier to get louder
Ive ran many set ups
1 10", 1 12", 2 12"s and the 1 10" was VERY nice and smooth, but then agian it was more of an SQ based sub.
The 2 12"s moved alot of air and because of cone area and enclosure size, played much deeper and louder, but did not sound as good as that single 10"
2 10's will have much more cone area vs 1 10" or even 1 12"
This doesn't mean they will be louder in all cases, it will just be easier to get louder
Ive ran many set ups
1 10", 1 12", 2 12"s and the 1 10" was VERY nice and smooth, but then agian it was more of an SQ based sub.
The 2 12"s moved alot of air and because of cone area and enclosure size, played much deeper and louder, but did not sound as good as that single 10"
#14
11-25-2009, 12:25 PM
My 2 cents.... a single 10 can be PLENTY, but definitely not the w3. Honestly it all depends on whats loud enough for you. Personally I can't go off sub sizes or the amount of subs being used. My previous single subs setups have been louder than any dual setup I've had and many dual/triple setups other people have had..even with a single 10 
It just depends on the enclosure and the sub itself.
I'd go with the single w6 as someone else mentioned, or go with dual w3's. If you check out the marketplace, there's a guy (4dr.Madness.) selling a pair of oldschool 12w6's. I'd jump on it, I'm sure you can work out a deal and if you want I can talk to him bout it. Those subs are efficient and IMHO better than the newer ones. Great thing is, you can always turn down the gain on the amp if it's too much bass, but if you ever want more, just turn it back up (long as it does not surpass mechanical and thermal limits of the sub).
If you're not looking for that go to www.sundownaudio.com and check out the SA-12. Buddy of mine is selling 2 (he'll part probably), for under half the cost of the MSRP, I believe 100 bucks + shipping. Thing is, it prob wont fit in the 4080, plus it would need a lil more space than the 4080 (i think...i'd put it in 1.25 cu. ft. after sub displacement)
In the end, it's the sub you choose. Each sub, just like a car, has different specs...anything can change those specs, such as a heavier dustcap, that would lower the Fs, meaning the sub will be able to play lower. Don't get pulled into the whole myth about smaller subs not getting as loud or being quicker than larger ones, I have easily proved people wrong when I had an 18" sub...and even when I had another one with almost 4kw goin to it. Determine how much space you want to use up and how much you're willing to spend on an amp (that will determine how much power you can run). With those two combined you can figure out how many subs and what sub to run. Also depends on the sound you're going for. If you look at the subs specs, a lower Fs will yield better low-end (smoother sounding). I like my subs in the 20 Hz range...but I'm using an oldschool 15w6 that has I think a 16Hz Fs, so it'll drop low. The higher you get, say into the upper 30's, the more boomy it will be.
It just depends on the enclosure and the sub itself.I'd go with the single w6 as someone else mentioned, or go with dual w3's. If you check out the marketplace, there's a guy (4dr.Madness.) selling a pair of oldschool 12w6's. I'd jump on it, I'm sure you can work out a deal and if you want I can talk to him bout it. Those subs are efficient and IMHO better than the newer ones. Great thing is, you can always turn down the gain on the amp if it's too much bass, but if you ever want more, just turn it back up (long as it does not surpass mechanical and thermal limits of the sub).
If you're not looking for that go to www.sundownaudio.com and check out the SA-12. Buddy of mine is selling 2 (he'll part probably), for under half the cost of the MSRP, I believe 100 bucks + shipping. Thing is, it prob wont fit in the 4080, plus it would need a lil more space than the 4080 (i think...i'd put it in 1.25 cu. ft. after sub displacement)
In the end, it's the sub you choose. Each sub, just like a car, has different specs...anything can change those specs, such as a heavier dustcap, that would lower the Fs, meaning the sub will be able to play lower. Don't get pulled into the whole myth about smaller subs not getting as loud or being quicker than larger ones, I have easily proved people wrong when I had an 18" sub...and even when I had another one with almost 4kw goin to it. Determine how much space you want to use up and how much you're willing to spend on an amp (that will determine how much power you can run). With those two combined you can figure out how many subs and what sub to run. Also depends on the sound you're going for. If you look at the subs specs, a lower Fs will yield better low-end (smoother sounding). I like my subs in the 20 Hz range...but I'm using an oldschool 15w6 that has I think a 16Hz Fs, so it'll drop low. The higher you get, say into the upper 30's, the more boomy it will be.
Last edited by The Stimulation; 11-25-2009 at 12:37 PM.
#15
11-27-2009, 09:11 AM
Thanks for the info. I am going to go with 10" w6v2 paired with a jl 500/1 amp. Can't wait to get the system installed.
My 2 cents.... a single 10 can be PLENTY, but definitely not the w3. Honestly it all depends on whats loud enough for you. Personally I can't go off sub sizes or the amount of subs being used. My previous single subs setups have been louder than any dual setup I've had and many dual/triple setups other people have had..even with a single 10 It just depends on the enclosure and the sub itself.
I'd go with the single w6 as someone else mentioned, or go with dual w3's. If you check out the marketplace, there's a guy (4dr.Madness.) selling a pair of oldschool 12w6's. I'd jump on it, I'm sure you can work out a deal and if you want I can talk to him bout it. Those subs are efficient and IMHO better than the newer ones. Great thing is, you can always turn down the gain on the amp if it's too much bass, but if you ever want more, just turn it back up (long as it does not surpass mechanical and thermal limits of the sub).
If you're not looking for that go to www.sundownaudio.com and check out the SA-12. Buddy of mine is selling 2 (he'll part probably), for under half the cost of the MSRP, I believe 100 bucks + shipping. Thing is, it prob wont fit in the 4080, plus it would need a lil more space than the 4080 (i think...i'd put it in 1.25 cu. ft. after sub displacement)
In the end, it's the sub you choose. Each sub, just like a car, has different specs...anything can change those specs, such as a heavier dustcap, that would lower the Fs, meaning the sub will be able to play lower. Don't get pulled into the whole myth about smaller subs not getting as loud or being quicker than larger ones, I have easily proved people wrong when I had an 18" sub...and even when I had another one with almost 4kw goin to it. Determine how much space you want to use up and how much you're willing to spend on an amp (that will determine how much power you can run). With those two combined you can figure out how many subs and what sub to run. Also depends on the sound you're going for. If you look at the subs specs, a lower Fs will yield better low-end (smoother sounding). I like my subs in the 20 Hz range...but I'm using an oldschool 15w6 that has I think a 16Hz Fs, so it'll drop low. The higher you get, say into the upper 30's, the more boomy it will be.
It just depends on the enclosure and the sub itself.I'd go with the single w6 as someone else mentioned, or go with dual w3's. If you check out the marketplace, there's a guy (4dr.Madness.) selling a pair of oldschool 12w6's. I'd jump on it, I'm sure you can work out a deal and if you want I can talk to him bout it. Those subs are efficient and IMHO better than the newer ones. Great thing is, you can always turn down the gain on the amp if it's too much bass, but if you ever want more, just turn it back up (long as it does not surpass mechanical and thermal limits of the sub).
If you're not looking for that go to www.sundownaudio.com and check out the SA-12. Buddy of mine is selling 2 (he'll part probably), for under half the cost of the MSRP, I believe 100 bucks + shipping. Thing is, it prob wont fit in the 4080, plus it would need a lil more space than the 4080 (i think...i'd put it in 1.25 cu. ft. after sub displacement)
In the end, it's the sub you choose. Each sub, just like a car, has different specs...anything can change those specs, such as a heavier dustcap, that would lower the Fs, meaning the sub will be able to play lower. Don't get pulled into the whole myth about smaller subs not getting as loud or being quicker than larger ones, I have easily proved people wrong when I had an 18" sub...and even when I had another one with almost 4kw goin to it. Determine how much space you want to use up and how much you're willing to spend on an amp (that will determine how much power you can run). With those two combined you can figure out how many subs and what sub to run. Also depends on the sound you're going for. If you look at the subs specs, a lower Fs will yield better low-end (smoother sounding). I like my subs in the 20 Hz range...but I'm using an oldschool 15w6 that has I think a 16Hz Fs, so it'll drop low. The higher you get, say into the upper 30's, the more boomy it will be.