Replacing Bose sub
That's all same as "bench racing" -buying products based on printed specs. What about sensitivity? Pioneer has a 3 db advantage due to unique spiderless design. 3db-it's double the amp power. I have only 160 wrms bridged to drive it. I will need 320 wrms amp for JL sub to get same output.(that JL ** disclaimer about sensitivity is lame-laws of physics are laws of physics)
Pioneer's basket is also designed to be mini enclosure, which is a huge benefit in free air installation. I actually hooked it up to home stereo to test it-no baffle at all. It had a nice kick from ancient 30 watt receiver without any crossover ! Nothing you can expect from a sub which is just sitting on the floor.
I do not listen to ghetto "Bass is tha ****e" recordings to care about 25Hz notes. Those 25 hz at what? -6 db?-8db? Did you see the actual curve? Sub is going into factory spot along with few layers of Fat Mat and will sound great. No box!
My first sound off was in 1997 with Pioneer sub and I love their stuff. I was turned off JL products by that bald fvck working for JL who was ****eing on car audio forums about the same time.
I do not deny that JL will sound better, but definitely not $400 better...And I own home audio system pushing well into 5 digits...including 1978 Denon turntable
I reiterate-to each it's own. I just want to present an alternative to other G members.
Pioneer's basket is also designed to be mini enclosure, which is a huge benefit in free air installation. I actually hooked it up to home stereo to test it-no baffle at all. It had a nice kick from ancient 30 watt receiver without any crossover ! Nothing you can expect from a sub which is just sitting on the floor.
I do not listen to ghetto "Bass is tha ****e" recordings to care about 25Hz notes. Those 25 hz at what? -6 db?-8db? Did you see the actual curve? Sub is going into factory spot along with few layers of Fat Mat and will sound great. No box!
My first sound off was in 1997 with Pioneer sub and I love their stuff. I was turned off JL products by that bald fvck working for JL who was ****eing on car audio forums about the same time.
I do not deny that JL will sound better, but definitely not $400 better...And I own home audio system pushing well into 5 digits...including 1978 Denon turntable
I reiterate-to each it's own. I just want to present an alternative to other G members.
I'm not advocating spending $500 on a 8" woofer, especially one that goes in a fairly poor spot like our flimsy rear deck. That's certainly poor value, but using a shallow mount there instead of a normal sub in the same price range is making an unnecessary compromise. That's what I have issues with - unnecessary compromise - not inexpensive parts.
For the same price as the Pioneer 8" shallow mount, you could get a Polk Audio one like this:
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-8129-mm8...subwoofer.aspx
Higher sensitivity, lower frequencies, it's more the direction I'd go.
Isn't the stock a free flowing sub? JL I don't think can just be droped into the factory hole. They need a inclosure. Any sub these days is not a free flowing sub. They all need inclosures. If I'm wrong lmk cause I would love to change my factory sub to somthin different.
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Isn't the stock a free flowing sub? JL I don't think can just be droped into the factory hole. They need a inclosure. Any sub these days is not a free flowing sub. They all need inclosures. If I'm wrong lmk cause I would love to change my factory sub to somthin different.
For the same price as the Pioneer 8" shallow mount, you could get a Polk Audio one like this:
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-8129-mm8...subwoofer.aspx
Higher sensitivity, lower frequencies, it's more the direction I'd go.[/QUOTE]
That Polk is a "NO" for free air use. I followed the link.
Just stop by when you get chance to be in Toronto and check out my install. You will not be dissapointed
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-8129-mm8...subwoofer.aspx
Higher sensitivity, lower frequencies, it's more the direction I'd go.[/QUOTE]
That Polk is a "NO" for free air use. I followed the link.
Just stop by when you get chance to be in Toronto and check out my install. You will not be dissapointed
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