Hawk HPS vs. Project_Mu on non-brembo
Hawk HPS vs. Project_Mu on non-brembo
Which pads create less dust but still have the same or better braking power as OEM pads? (in your opinion and from the facts you know)
If project_mu is better at the 2 specifics i mentioned, which of the pads would you choose? NS of the other 1's. Thanks
I've searched and searched but i just want a clear cut answer. No bull and arguing like the other threads, thanks.
p.s. i have an 05' non-brembo and will be putting goodridge SS brake lines and upgrade the brakefluid. possibly rotors aswell
If project_mu is better at the 2 specifics i mentioned, which of the pads would you choose? NS of the other 1's. Thanks
I've searched and searched but i just want a clear cut answer. No bull and arguing like the other threads, thanks.
p.s. i have an 05' non-brembo and will be putting goodridge SS brake lines and upgrade the brakefluid. possibly rotors aswell
Last edited by dream_G35; Dec 12, 2006 at 08:38 PM.
Which pads create less dust but still have the same or better braking power as OEM pads
Think about what you are asking............how is that possible?
Obviously the carbon dust is there for a necessary reason [not just to anger customers]! But to win magazine braking tests against competitors.
At some pad temperature [usually cold] the oem pad will out perform every aftermarket compound that dusts less. At some pad temperatures [usually hot] aftermarkets may perform as well, at very hot the aftermarkets might exceed oem.
The soft pads are matched to soft rotors [cast iron grade] to minimize noise [squeel and groan] so harder pads [at low temps] may eat the softer rotors faster and increase or change the vibration frequency of the braking noise.
Everything needs to be matched to gain the best advantage.
Every company samples [deconstructs] every available pad compound so it's never a real secret........kind of like soft drinks everyone has a different tastes.
Think about what you are asking............how is that possible?
Obviously the carbon dust is there for a necessary reason [not just to anger customers]! But to win magazine braking tests against competitors.
At some pad temperature [usually cold] the oem pad will out perform every aftermarket compound that dusts less. At some pad temperatures [usually hot] aftermarkets may perform as well, at very hot the aftermarkets might exceed oem.
The soft pads are matched to soft rotors [cast iron grade] to minimize noise [squeel and groan] so harder pads [at low temps] may eat the softer rotors faster and increase or change the vibration frequency of the braking noise.
Everything needs to be matched to gain the best advantage.
Every company samples [deconstructs] every available pad compound so it's never a real secret........kind of like soft drinks everyone has a different tastes.
It really depends on what you are looking for out of your brakes. The Hawk HPS will give much less dust over stock but will have a weak initial bite. It has a higher temperature threshold over stock and will be fine during cold weather. However, the Project Mu NS pads will give you a much more improved initial bite over stock and dust less than OEM as well. The NS will perform just as good over cold or hot weather. THe Project Mu Bforce pads use a more aggressive compund so you will see its peak at higher temperature levels. During cold weather, the initial bite may not be as strong but will still be an improvement over stock. It will also be lsightly squeaky in cold weather and if the brakes are cold. Endless pads are also a great choice, the Vita Nuova's have similar characterisitcs as the Project Mu NS and the SS-S pads are similar to the Bforce. We have tons of pads information on our website, just take the time to read through this way it will give you the best choice possible on what you are looking for.
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Let's assume more dust relates to materials with better cold braking characteristics, and cold braking would infer lower speeds.
Inversely, better hot braking would infer higher speeds and/or more aggressive driving. These conditions being more critical with regards to braking distance.
Less dust is a bonus,
Another limitation to factory brakes, is cost. Trade-off is more dust and less performance under more severe conditions.
Inversely, better hot braking would infer higher speeds and/or more aggressive driving. These conditions being more critical with regards to braking distance.
Less dust is a bonus,
Another limitation to factory brakes, is cost. Trade-off is more dust and less performance under more severe conditions.
Unfortunately friction varies with BOTH pad temperature and application speed.
Oem test pads at the US DOT mandated cold , intermediate, and hot temperatures and also at various application speeds under different application temperatures.
The are no ZERO test required by anyone for aftermarket, however many aftermarkets are just a loosing bidder compounds proposed to car manufacturers but rejected for some reason and remarketed as a performance compound.
Oem test pads at the US DOT mandated cold , intermediate, and hot temperatures and also at various application speeds under different application temperatures.
The are no ZERO test required by anyone for aftermarket, however many aftermarkets are just a loosing bidder compounds proposed to car manufacturers but rejected for some reason and remarketed as a performance compound.
The poor life of 03 and 04 brakes on the G35 obviously worked in favor of some low bidder.
If you took a more objective view you will find many after-market pads tested to the same standard used by automakers. Many meeting them, and many of those exceeding them.
Most of us looking for improved performance are obviously not looking for low bidders, we are looking for those exceeding OEM, that is not much of challenge on any front. OEM is good, but not always the best. That's the main reason the better after-market companies survive. They make money providing OEM as well as better parts to those willing to pay more for more than what they get at the dealer's parts counter.
If you took a more objective view you will find many after-market pads tested to the same standard used by automakers. Many meeting them, and many of those exceeding them.
Most of us looking for improved performance are obviously not looking for low bidders, we are looking for those exceeding OEM, that is not much of challenge on any front. OEM is good, but not always the best. That's the main reason the better after-market companies survive. They make money providing OEM as well as better parts to those willing to pay more for more than what they get at the dealer's parts counter.
Last edited by fortified; Dec 23, 2006 at 04:48 PM.
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