Big Brake kit: Too good of a deal or Scam?

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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 02:47 AM
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I've got a factory 6p 14" Wilwood kit from Todd @ TCE. I felt more comfortable buying a kit designed and tested by Wilwood and not pieced together. Brakes were not something I was willing to cut corners on for a savings of a few hundred dollars, just my opinion. If you are comfortable buying from onadime based on talking with them and the positive experiences of others, then go for it! Enjoy your BBK!





 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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I've spoken with Alex the owner as well. Another guy from another forum brought this up and seems like a great deal. There's been some reviewing of this product on my350z.com. The owners there seem to happy with his products. The calipers, pads, and brake lines (not sure about these) are all from Wilwood. The rotors are made by them. Everything there seems up & up. No rear kits yet...those should be done towards mid summer they said.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by phisig
Upfront? I think thats clear with the big 6 piston stamped on the side -- I don't think I said anything about the kit having two piece rotors either? Just that they are centric, which is a very well known company that produces rotors for stoptech and brembo. From my research I thought the price, quality, and componets were right on and are sure to fit my needs.
Sorry, "upfront" was a poor choice of words. My point was that what's shown is not a Wilwood kit. I should have suggested this supplier and others be more clear about what they are marketing. While we may have a fine product here you have another supplier who's riding the good name and reputation of a larger company. Often at the confusion and later frustration of buyers who don't own what they think they do when they need parts or assistance.

I field a call a week on a need for replacement parts, help with something that doesn't seem quite right or just plain confusion on this stuff. "What's the difference in all these Wilwood kits anyhow?" Again; this alone does not make the kit shown better or worse. But if you're bold enough to produce it you should be bold enough to put your own name to it is my point.

*I don't mean to be on the soapbox here, but it took me nearly two years to un educate the WRX market to the whys and hows of "bad Wilwood kits" which were not Wilwood produced at all. Being an informed buyer is all I'm promoting.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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No front rear bias calculations, no interest from me IMHO. When pressed about it, their reply was:

1) "A little more front bias is makes for better performance." ???? Not really. If that's true then:

2) "We are developing a rear bbk kit" ???? Well if you claim 1) then why develope 2)?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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its a trap!!
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Todd - I am not going to pretend I am a braking Guru, however I've tried to do my fair share of reseach on the matter, and thats all anyone can do. Now you spoke that there is a substantial difference between a Factory Wilwood kit and a kit where each part was ordered from wilwood to form a kit. I am looking at a wilwood factory kit using the 6 Piston SL6 Calipers - the same ones supplied in this kit. Clearly, if wilwood uses them, those calipers fit the needs of our cars. The clamping power, brake bias, etc should all be the same as a factory wilwood kit.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by phisig
Todd - I am not going to pretend I am a braking Guru, however I've tried to do my fair share of reseach on the matter, and thats all anyone can do. Now you spoke that there is a substantial difference between a Factory Wilwood kit and a kit where each part was ordered from wilwood to form a kit. I am looking at a wilwood factory kit using the 6 Piston SL6 Calipers - the same ones supplied in this kit. Clearly, if wilwood uses them, those calipers fit the needs of our cars. The clamping power, brake bias, etc should all be the same as a factory wilwood kit.
The calipers are the same but do the pistons have the same surface area?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by phisig
Todd - I am not going to pretend I am a braking Guru, however I've tried to do my fair share of reseach on the matter, and thats all anyone can do. Now you spoke that there is a substantial difference between a Factory Wilwood kit and a kit where each part was ordered from wilwood to form a kit. I am looking at a wilwood factory kit using the 6 Piston SL6 Calipers - the same ones supplied in this kit. Clearly, if wilwood uses them, those calipers fit the needs of our cars. The clamping power, brake bias, etc should all be the same as a factory wilwood kit.
There are a number of six pot calipers availale from Wilwood. From my limited research into this kit and others; they are not the same parts supplied in the factory kits. Nor are the rotors, hats, brackets and pads. Part of the reason for a lower price point is also the use of a one piece rotor whereas the factory kit is offered only in two piece design. Just as there are no four pot front kits either. The clamping and bias may be the same or slightly different on a number of kits. In most cases I don't see a huge issue for you there.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Nor am I endorsing it as a better choice. I'm only making it clear that this kit and others are NOT Wilwood factory kits and should not be confused with such. It should be up to the buyer to understand this and for the manufacture to make buyers aware of these differences and why they feel their product is the better choice. If a $500 lower price justifies a better choice I'm ok with that too.

Just be known that with build variations ordering replacement parts can become confusing and cost you extra money. I've been the "bad guy" at time on some kits when new rotors or pads are needed and I ship what is correct for the factory kit but that's not what they have. This is often found in second or third owner cars who have no idea where the kit came from or what it is comprised of.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Everyone should do their research before spending money on a BBK. Just because it's in the picture doesn't mean you are getting that exact kit.

As for what is listed, I think that looks like a decent setup for a non-brembo coupe or sedan upgrade. If you plan to track your car or do any track-like situation driving I would get a better kit with 2-pc rotors, etc.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple8Sol
I had a Wilwood front BBK on my last car. It was great. The kit was put together by Precision Brakes iirc, and was tested and proven. Unless you can find reviews on this kit maker, it's a gamble. Yes, it's using Wilwood calipers and pads, but what about the rotors, lines, bracket, hardware, etc...?

For that price, though, I think it's worth a shot. I'd rather try this than get some crap from Megan Racing, or the like...
Megan makes decent brakes for the track. They have been track tested extensively on the double down Z which has won most of the recent time attacks. I would trust megan way over this crap
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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I have read some very positive reviews of the Megan kit.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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I do remember a front megan kit being like 3k, maybe I'm wrong. I have read that that kit is actually identical (besides badging) to the Rotora/Greddy/JBT kit.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 06:46 PM
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I have read some very positive reviews of the Megan kit.
My biggest problem with the Megan kit is the lack of pad selection. Or, rather non existance of pad selection.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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That is the way with most BBK's unless they use a common caliper with other systems. I have only seen Rotora pads for mine.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by phisig
I do remember a front megan kit being like 3k, maybe I'm wrong. I have read that that kit is actually identical (besides badging) to the Rotora/Greddy/JBT kit.

No, the caliper is way different than any others I have seen.

I think the 4 wheel kit is ~$3500. I've never seen the front kit for much.
 
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